Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

The problem with ad hoc explanations is that you need more explanations to explain your explanations. What a tangled web we have here...

There's no need for anything beyond pointing out the weaknesses and errors in the arguments from the other side.Though both sides seem to be trying hard to make their views clear, in the recent exchanges I often got the feeling that the views being rebutted were not necessarily the ones that had been expressed. I was short of time today, but if I have time tomorrow I'll try to note where a little additional clarification would be helpful.

Are you under the impression that metamorphism is always associated with volcanic processes? That would be news to most metamorphic rocks.Edited by Pressie, : Removed last paragraph after reading post by the mod

Well, we can't really be sure what 'volcanic' means now, can we?

Maybe we should ask Faith what she means when she uses the word 'volcanic'. She has her own dictionary as I remember.

I think Faith needs to help us understand when exactly 4230 years ago really was. Was the formation of the Siberian trap less that 4230 years ago? How long ago did the Deccan trap form? When was the Ontong Java Plateau created? What about the flood basalts found in Baffin Island? And then there is the relatively young Columbia River basalt formations.If all of these happened during the last 4000 (or 6000) years, why did no one notice?

I thought it was 4350 years but what's a thousand give or take?No reason why those volcanic fields needed millions of years. If it all occurred since the Flood, which of course it did, why did nobody notice?, you ask. Probably because it occurred during that last phase of the Flood along with the tectonic movement, when there were only eight people in the world. Although the sons of Noah were having children within a few years of the Flood it would have been a few decades before they had appreciable numbers of grandchildren, and a hundred or more years before a population of any size was beginning to develop. No reason the volcanic fields wouldn't have long since cooled down by then.

Do you understand the implications of this scenario?So you have, basically, all of the volcanism in the geological record happening within a few human generations?Think about it...

Yeah, I think it was good timing for so much of the physical violence on the planet to occur when there were so few people around.And not ALL of the volcanism, just a lot of it.

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."Alice

And your evidence to support all that is?There is absolutely no evidence of flood related volcanic activity in either of the Bible stories or in reality.The examples I mentioned are fair size things and yes, all of the evidence shows that they did take more than 6000 years to form. The Ontong Java Plateau is nearly twenty miles thick, not a thin layer that would cool off in a year or even a decade. The Deccan Traps are over a mile thick and cover almost 200,000 square miles. The Siberian Traps cover an area about the size of western Europe.Each of these events is directly related to periods of severe die-offs and there is no reasonable explanation of how anyone on the Ark would have survived.None of them are under water flood basalt.Faith you keep making claims like "Probably because it occurred during that last phase of the Flood along with the tectonic movement, when there were only eight people in the world." yet provide no evidence, no model, no method, no mechanism, no process, no procedure that would explain either your tectonic activity or volcanism while reality, the evidence that does exist shows that they did each happen over periods far longer than 6000 years and that they all happened at different periods separated by millions of years.

Jar, you complain all the time about my lack of evidence but I rarely see you producing any evidence for your outlandish claims. You make all kinds of assertions about evidence, rarely actually show any. There was no underwater basalt you say, well, there didn't necessarily have to be in my scenario either, if most of the eruptions occurred after the water had receded, but you don't give your evidence in any case, you just assert it.ABE: Oh and those "severe die-offs." Typical OE joke. You see a paucity of life (an absence of fossils for some reason the theory tells you to expect) in some level of strata and call that a die-off and relate it to these events you also find dated in the strata. This is a ridiculous joke. The strata contain the fossil record of what was killed in the Flood.OE "evidence" is a pathetic joke, all made-up out of silly assumptions.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I like to provide the example of the eruption of Laki in 1783. This is just one eruption of a few months duration, which spewed out a mere 14 cubic kilometers of basalt. Now we just need to imagine numerous events of multiple magnitudes larger eruptions crammed into Faith's tiny time-frame of a few human generations.

Why should the Bible contain evidence of volcanism? The people living at the time were far enough away not to have to notice it.

No millions of people to be killed in the century after the Flood, and there could have been weather patterns that protected the Middle East too, lots of rain perhaps, the development of the ice age in those northerly parts also exerting a damping influence on the volcanic effects. Siberia is a long way away, and at the time India was probably en route via tectonic transport from the coast of Africa to its resting place in Asia some time later.