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Author Topic:   Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it
edge
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Message 676 of 1939 (754748)
03-31-2015 11:55 AM
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03-31-2015 11:38 AM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Jar, you complain all the time about my lack of evidence but I rarely see you producing any evidence for your outlandish claims. You make all kinds of assertions about evidence, rarely actually show any. There was no underwater basalt you say, well, there didn't necessarily have to be in my scenario either, if most of the eruptions occurred after the water had receded, but you don't give your evidence in any case, you just assert it.
ABE: Oh and those "severe die-offs." Typical OE joke. You see a paucity of life (an absence of fossils for some reason the theory tells you to expect) in some level of strata and call that a die-off and relate it to these events you also find dated in the strata. This is a ridiculous joke. The strata contain the fossil record of what was killed in the Flood.
OE "evidence" is a pathetic joke, all made-up out of silly assumptions.
Unfortunately, for your point of view, we do have evidence and it is readily available. If you are not familiar with it, here is some of the basic information. If you want details, it can be found in mountains of scientific literature. Do you really want to get into that?
Extinction event - Wikipedia
Now, what have you got?

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Message 677 of 1939 (754749)
03-31-2015 12:00 PM
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03-31-2015 11:55 AM


Extinction evidence big joke
Not that I care much, but it is bad form to give a link instead of your own summary of the evidence you claim it provides.
But all I had to do is skim the page to see that your "extinction" is completely an artifact of the Geo Time Scale, as I already said, a pathetic joke, a tragic joke on humanity really.

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Message 678 of 1939 (754750)
03-31-2015 12:02 PM
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03-31-2015 11:45 AM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Faith writes:
Why should the Bible contain evidence of volcanism? The people living at the time were far enough away not to have to notice it.
OMG, that's freaking hilarious and just a perfect demonstration of either how ignorant you are of the results of volcanic activity or just don't give a whit about reality.
Even a TINY eruption: 2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajkull - Wikipedia
is visible over large swaths of earth: Air travel disruption after the 2010 Eyjafjallajkull eruption - Wikipedia
The most recent Mount Saint Helens eruption was infinitesimal compared to what you are requiring and it dumped ash from the sky 1,500 miles away.
Basic physics says you simply can't get "far enough away" from the sort of volcanic requirement you insist on to have not been destroyed by it, let lone not notice it.
But hey, don't let reality get in the way of a great delusion.
JB
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edge
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Message 679 of 1939 (754751)
03-31-2015 12:03 PM
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03-31-2015 11:52 AM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
No millions of people to be killed in the century after the Flood, and there could have been weather patterns that protected the Middle East too, lots of rain perhaps, the development of the ice age in those northerly parts also exerting a damping influence on the volcanic effects.
"Maybe", "might-have", "could-have", "should-have" ...
Evidence?
Faith, your repopulation of the earth is not off to a good start...
Siberia is a long way away, and at the time India was probably en route via tectonic transport from the coast of Africa to its resting place in Asia some time later.
So then it was in the sourthern hemisphere. Not a good supporting point, Faith.
Please read the link:
Extinction event - Wikipedia
The word 'global' occurs 30 times in this article.

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Message 680 of 1939 (754752)
03-31-2015 12:04 PM
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03-31-2015 12:02 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Sure, maybe they had some smoke in the atmosphere. Maybe. Ice age going full tilt though, probably made a difference. Must learn to think in context rather than the assumptions of contemporary experience.

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Message 681 of 1939 (754753)
03-31-2015 12:06 PM
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03-31-2015 12:03 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
You can only extrapolate from modern experience, which probably doesn't apply to the different conditions of the immediate post-Flood world. In other words all YOU have is coulda-wouldas and far less plausible ones than I have.
Ice age.
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jar
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Message 682 of 1939 (754754)
03-31-2015 12:06 PM
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03-31-2015 11:38 AM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Faith writes:
Jar, you complain all the time about my lack of evidence but I rarely see you producing any evidence for your outlandish claims. You make all kinds of assertions about evidence, rarely actually show any. There was no underwater basalt you say, well, there didn't necessarily have to be in my scenario either, if most of the eruptions occurred after the water had receded, but you don't give your evidence in any case, you just assert it.
Well, Faith, as usual you are again misrepresenting what I had said. I did not say "There was no underwater basalt you say" rather that the examples I listed did not happen underwater. That was in response to your claim that "Probably because it occurred during that last phase of the Flood along with the tectonic movement, when there were only eight people in the world." where you claim it did happen during the flood.
Also did I not post "The examples I mentioned are fair size things and yes, all of the evidence shows that they did take more than 6000 years to form. The Ontong Java Plateau is nearly twenty miles thick, not a thin layer that would cool off in a year or even a decade. The Deccan Traps are over a mile thick and cover almost 200,000 square miles. The Siberian Traps cover an area about the size of western Europe.
Each of these events is directly related to periods of severe die-offs and there is no reasonable explanation of how anyone on the Ark would have survived"?
All of these are supported by evidence; the Ontong Java Plateau size can be found here and the evidence is that it really is nearly 20 miles thick, and the Deccan Trap information here and you can check my assertions about the Siberian Traps here.
The mass die offs associated whith each event are also well evidenced.
Perhaps Faith it is time you stop lying about what others do and instead begin producing some evidence, some model, mechanism, method, process or procedure that might explain how your magic flood with magic rain might work.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 683 of 1939 (754755)
03-31-2015 12:10 PM
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03-31-2015 12:06 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Even if it took a few hundred or a thousand years to cool off completely there was nobody in Siberia during that period and India would only have been beginning to be populated, probably nowhere near the Deccan traps.

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Message 684 of 1939 (754756)
03-31-2015 12:14 PM
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03-31-2015 12:06 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Again your "evidence" is a lot of mental manipulation based on the silly idea that the strata represent time periods and that their fossil contents tell you what was living in such and such a time. That is a patheticaly ridiculous idea of evidence.
But I apologize if I misread you about underwater basalt. So maybe there was some underwater basalt? The "last phase of the Flood" was when the water was receding, volcanism may or may not have been under water.

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Message 685 of 1939 (754758)
03-31-2015 12:26 PM
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03-31-2015 11:52 AM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Faith writes:
... the development of the ice age in those northerly parts...
Hey, missing the Southern parts? You do know that a magical global fluddie would have an effect on the whole earth equally?
Let me give you some unasked for advise, Faith. To people living in the Southern Hemisphere the Southern Hemisphere is quite important.

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Message 686 of 1939 (754759)
03-31-2015 12:35 PM
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03-31-2015 12:03 PM


Extinction fantasy
Here's from the Wikipedia article on extinctions that you linked:
Although there are 10—14 million species of life currently on the Earth,[2] more than 99 percent of all species that ever lived on the planet are estimated to be extinct.[3][4][5]
Golly gee, the Flood did do what it was supposed to do, didn't it?
Extinction occurs at an uneven rate. Based on the fossil record, the background rate of extinctions on Earth is about two to five taxonomic families of marine invertebrates and vertebrates every million years. Marine fossils are mostly used to measure extinction rates because of their superior fossil record and stratigraphic range compared to land organisms.
The fossil record is the record of what the Flood killed. How sad that the human race is fed this line of bull from "science."
Since life began on Earth, several major mass extinctions have significantly exceeded the background extinction rate. The most recent, the Cretaceous—Paleogene extinction event, which occurred approximately 66 million years ago (Ma), was a large-scale mass extinction of animal and plant species in a geologically short period of time. In the past 540 million years there have been five major events when over 50% of animal species died. Mass extinctions seem to be a Phanerozoic phenomenon, with extinction rates low before large complex organisms aros
Sad. Pathetic. You invent time periods for the strata and think you can tell by the dead things in them what lived during your imaginary time periods, but what the fossils REALLY should tell you is how amazingly diverse living things were before the Flood.
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Message 687 of 1939 (754760)
03-31-2015 12:38 PM
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03-31-2015 12:26 PM


southern hemisphere
Sorry to slight the southern hemisphere which of course was also affected by the ice age. But the examples of volcanism I'm responding to happen to be in the northern hemisphere. They probably contributed to the development of the ice age too. Anyway, feel free to offer info on the southern part of the planet.

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jar
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Message 688 of 1939 (754762)
03-31-2015 12:46 PM
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03-31-2015 12:14 PM


Re: how long ago was 4230 years?
Faith writes:
Even if it took a few hundred or a thousand years to cool off completely there was nobody in Siberia during that period and India would only have been beginning to be populated, probably nowhere near the Deccan traps.
Again, based on actual evidence as opposed to fantasy, no one had to be near to have been affected; the die offs during the same periods as the events listed were world wide and not just local.
Faith writes:
Again your "evidence" is a lot of mental manipulation based on the silly idea that the strata represent time periods and that their fossil contents tell you what was living in such and such a time. That is a patheticaly ridiculous idea of evidence.
Stop misrepresenting what folk have said Faith.
What I have presented is actual evidence. If you wish to claim that it happened quickly then you need to explain the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that could account for the evidence and stop just invoking magic floods from magic rain. In addition, fossil records do tell us what died at those times and guess what, no humans or lions or tigers or bears or bunnies or ohmys were included.
If the flood did what either of the Biblical flood myths claimed why are there no humans or lions or tigers or bears or bunnies or ohmys included in the fossils you claim originated during the magical flood?
Faith writes:
But I apologize if I misread you about underwater basalt. So maybe there was some underwater basalt? The "last phase of the Flood" was when the water was receding, volcanism may or may not have been under water.
Yet none of the examples listed originated under water.

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Pressie
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Message 689 of 1939 (754763)
03-31-2015 12:48 PM
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03-31-2015 12:38 PM


Re: southern hemisphere
Sure. There's no geological or archaeological evidence in South Africa for an ice-age 4 000 to 5 000 years ago. None.
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edge
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Message 690 of 1939 (754765)
03-31-2015 12:52 PM
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03-26-2015 5:22 PM


Referring to the blue clasts in this image:
Yea, what are the blue stones?
After some research, it appears that there are some blue dolostones out there and these are from a different unit, probably the Beck Springs Formation. Though new to me, these are apparently common enough that no one really bothers to describe them any more.

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