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The Elder
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Message 151 of 153 (75293)
12-27-2003 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by NosyNed
12-26-2003 11:00 PM


Re: Ah, my misunderstanding
Do mutations produce novel (that is new) genetic sequences?
Define better, do you mean new species?
Do mutations (and there are many sorts) produced genonmes with greater numbers of base pairs in them than in the previous generations?
Base pairs?
Are any of these in actual genes that are expressed as proteins
Are any of these mutations which occur in genes which are expressed as proteins? I think that is the question, I really dont understand the question.
Are novel proteins ever produced?
Are new proteins ever produced? If that is the question, can you verify that that is the question.
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NosyNed
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Message 152 of 153 (75294)
12-27-2003 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by The Elder
12-27-2003 2:41 AM


Mutations, just mutations
Define better, do you mean new species?
Where did this come from?? I didn't use the word better. We are simply talking about mutations. Which you have implied, first that they don't occur and then that they don't add new "information" (whatever you mean by that). Let's stick to one thing at a time.
Base pairs?
Maybe you'd better back up and tell me what you think a mutation is? I have a feeling you aren't ready to go further yet. What is DNA made up of? When we say there is a mutation we are saying there is some inheritable change. What do you think the change is in? What exactly has changed in your understanding of this stuff?
Are any of these mutations which occur in genes which are expressed as proteins? I think that is the question, I really dont understand the question.
There are parts of the genome that do not produce any proteins. Mutations occur there. But aren't all that interesting for our purposes are they? So I'm asking you if you think that some of the mutations occur in the parts of the genome that are actually expressed as proteins.
And yes, I am asking you if you think that mutations can actually cause the production of a different protein than the parents would have ever produced?
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crashfrog
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Message 153 of 153 (75556)
12-29-2003 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by The Elder
12-26-2003 10:16 PM


Any mistakes that are in his are going to be in your gene, and you may even have added one or two mistakes yourself.
If the theory of mutation is factual?
No, this isn't a prediction from theory, it's an observation. If you look, you find that all organisms have base pair sequences that they didn't inherit from either parent. These are called "mutations."

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