Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

How could you possibly be so certain about this that you would have to shout? Since it all happened in the unwitnessed past, you cannot possibly prove this.Or to put this in a non-sarcastic way... How could you know that "strata do not form this way. ever." How could you know that?HBDEdited by herebedragons, : typos

If there is one thing I have learned about YEC reasoning it is that revealed knowledge trumps learned knowledge. Without exception.The reality of the situation is that sedimentary deposits HAVE to accumulate as 'loose sediments' and they very commonly are not horizontal in geometry. But all of that doesn't matter to the YEC.

Then prove it.All I see here is an assertion. We have given you the definition that everyone else uses. Why are you so angry? Ah, I see. Another substance free, personal complaint. Which gets us exactly nowhere.

Evidently, Faith believes that only solid rock can be strata. This is kind of silly because the solid rocks that we are talking about started out as unconsolidated sediments. So, maybe we should just say, "Okay, the unconsolidated sediments were deposited in a non-horizontal way, so that they appear folded.The 'strata' question would just go away.However, Faith might have to admit that sedimentation occurred on a surface that was had been tilted and eroded first. Oh, well....I think we are seeing the effects of cognitive dissonance here and it's driving everyone crazy ... except for Faith. Everyone else is crazy.

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Sigh.The Strata are in fact rock. There are no unconsolidated sediments, gravel or whatnot, now, that are in any sense even LIKE the strata, or could ever become strata. The Strata are rock, that usually cover thousands of square miles and in some cases cover whole continents and even cross the ocean to other continents.I just figured out what's going on. The actual Strata prove the Flood. The actual Strata have come to an end, are no longer being deposited. The OE theory that insists they are points to woefully inadequate examples of sedimentation today because that's all that's going on today.The Strata are ENORMOUS both in height and horizontal extent and were layered miles deep. NOTHING like that is happening now and will never happen again.I guess now you'll point to layering on the continental shelves as was done some time ago, relocating the Geological Timetable with its "progressive" fossilized flora and fauna to the seafloor after their journey of billions of years up the ladder of Time on the continents. Maybe you'll find a fossilized teacup somewhere near the Cliffs of Dover after they've eroded down to nothing? [Yes I know teacups don't fossilize. Sigh.]Absurdities are all you have to make your claim of ongoing deposition on the scale of The Strata. Steno wasn't so hampered. What he said is consistent with the reality of the Flood but you have to pretend a hill of gravel could be the next Era?So now I understand the madness. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No. For one thing you have no examples of LAYERS formed like that.Why don't they drape over BOTH rocks instead of just one?It looks like what would happen if the rocks pushed up through the strata.I'll say it again: Wake up HBD, you are pursuing a scientific fraud.But I suppose you won't. Too bad.

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Yes, now they are. They were, in fact, sediments... And they were, in fact, layers of 'loose sediment'. And it's all that's going on at any time. And the sediments were enormous in height and horizontal extent. And that is what is happening right now, just like back then. Is there a point here? Yes, well, it's happened before...

Well, that was predictable. Because the sediments are coming from one side. But the pattern has the wrong symmetry.And there are no faults. Evidence to support this statement? Why is that?Edited by edge, : No reason given.

Then look at the other diagrams.It would be nice if you too would see that you are pursuing a scientific fraud. I just figured HBD calls himself a Christian and might have a chance. But then God can do miracles if He chooses.

The Strata Steno studied and that we see today are one and the same. Nobody saw them as depositing sediment, only as finished strata, even rock, and again the sedimentary processes going on today are pitifully puny candidates for anything like them. THAT's the scientific fraud. One of the many you've all fallen for.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

How many do I need to look at?If the strata were deposited as you say (straight, level and continuous) and then the basement pushed upward to intrude them, why would there be a pattern in the bedding planes that looks different from one side of the uplift to the other?Why are there no faults shown in the diagrams? Why are the contacts not sheared and broken? And it would be nice if I was making a million a year playing football. So, that's it? That's your argument against the evidence?

Hi Faith,I'm going to say something regarding Steno, but I first want to repeat again that I'm trying to avoid becoming involved in the discussion. I'm only trying to bring some clarity to some simple side points so that discussion on the main topic can continue.Regarding Steno, what he means by the word "fluid" is non-solid. Water, air, dust, blowing sand, etc., are all non-solids that he envisioned overlying any sedimentary layer undergoing deposition. Sure. But what you appear to be saying, at least in my interpretation and that of others here, is that strata are always deposited horizontally, regardless of the angle of the surface being deposited upon. For example, you appear to be saying that if a surface is 99% horizontal then any strata deposited upon it will be 100% horizontal. Isn't that what you're actually saying? And if it is then just let us know, because I think it should be possible for us to make it very clear to you why this is incorrect. Snow is a form of sedimentation that many people are very familiar with. Anyone who lives in an A-frame house in snow country, particular if the roof has a steep pitch, knows that the snow is deeper in the front and back next to the house. Why? Because some of the snow falling on the roof finds its way to the roof's edge and falls to the ground. As measured by it's horizontal cross section, an A-frame roof will accumulate less snow then the same area of an open field. That snow that didn't come to rest on the roof comes to rest next to the house in front and back.The same is true of any rock that has fallen from a glacier and become partially embedded in the sea floor. Sediments falling on the part of rock sticking out of the sea floor will to some degree depending upon the shape of the rock fall beside it along its edge. This means that the part of the sea floor around the perimeter of the rock is receiving more sediments than the rest of the sea floor. Since more sediments are being deposited close to the edges of the rock than are being deposited further away, the layers do not butt up against the rock. They tilt upward.