Java Man, Neanderthal Man, Piltdown Man???

Not a transitional but kind of interesting... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1884000/1884525.stmNote the bit that says...

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Oetzi was about 159 centimetres (five feet, 2.5 inches) tall, 46 years old, arthritic, and infested with whipworm.

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So he`s hom sap sap with arthritis and they don`t claim he`s anything but hom sap sap, kind of blows the whole trasitionals were just people with arthritis line out of the water doesnt it.....

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i dont get it explain why they saying he has arthitis would change whether or not he was affected by it and that disease tc mentioned, not the one i made up earlier.

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TC is saying that the most similar transitionals to hom sap sap are in fact hom sap sap who were afflicted with athritis etc here we have a primitive hom sap sap who had athritis and yet he is classified as hom sap sap kind of puzzling if indeed scientists ascribe athritic hom sap sap remains to be transitionals rather than hom sap sap....(added by edit: wow there were a lot of hom sap sap`s in that post, glad I shortened it from homo sapiens sapiens otherwise I`d probably be dying of CTS as we speak

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[This message has been edited by joz, 03-22-2002]

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Originally posted by leekim:
Surely evolution doesn't equate with extinction.

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How else would you apply the old saw of "survival of the fittest" to species?

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...either decided to kill off ALL of the prior, less advanced, hominids (ie survival of the fittest as implied above)...

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Decided didn`t necesarily come into it bud, think of it this way you and your family cohabit an area with some primitive hominids, due to limited resources for your family to eat the "primitives" must go hungry and vice versa....Would you let your family starve to death so that the "primatives" would survive?I suspect not and if so you haven`t decided to go out and kill them in person but by using the available resources to keep your family alive you got them just as dead.... And on a large enough scale just as extinct....(Of course if they were fitter they would take the food and your lot would go extinct.....)

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Originally posted by leekim:
...It doesn't seem in the least bit odd to you that ALL of these alleged "ancestors" between the modern apes, chimps, etc. and todays homo sapien sapien failed to survive to the present day? Not a single one?

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No.....For the reasons above....