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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Percy made up the "very active seas." All I said is that the sea water was steadily rising across the land, not "rushing," rising. Took five months, that's not "rushing."
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2394 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Faith writes: Percy made up the "very active seas." Yes. we know ... you didn't drive over the speed limit on your one hour, 100 mile drive. He has explained the "If A, then B" to you clearly in several different ways and you STILL don't get it. I'm honestly no longer sure if it's willful or just a complete lack of ability to understand the basic laws of the universe. Either way, on your part it's all speculation and no evidence. JB
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As usual I have no idea what you are talking about, which must be your plan since it can't be all that hard to say what you mean.
(Hint: Sometimes I don't read parts of posts that don't relate to the topic I'm thinking about, due to having to deal with so many opponents and so many arguments, so you are probably wrong that I even read this speed example you are accusing me of not understanding. Don't assume things.) And what evidence is needed to know that forty days of heavy rain everywhere on the planet would turn hills into mudslides and the world into mud? But beyond that I've given plenty of evidence of many parts of the Flood scenario. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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The thing is nobody knows exactly what the pre-Flood terrain was like. This would have been a good place to stop. Following that line with a series of descriptions of the "pre-Flood" world - using words like "probably" and "likelihood" - tends to reinforce the already stunningly obvious reality that pretty much everything you say is pulled directly out of your butt, with no justification other than rhetorical convenience, and with no regard to what you have said elsewhere.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
...with no regard to what you have said elsewhere. Is it just my imagination or am I now getting the Accusation Brigade out against me, who don't bother to quote me or prove any of their accusations true? My view of the pre-Flood world is pretty standard, my view of the Flood events within the usual ballpark, all of it perfectly reasonable based on the Bible. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Whatever the geological record says needs to be interpreted in relation to the Flood which we know occurred.
Yes, evidence needs to be interpreted. However, you have no interpretation for radiometric dates, for instance.
Marine transgressions should be good evidence for that. However, the guesses I've made are perfectly reasonable.
No. If the Great Unconformity has such irregularity, it cannot be a shear plane.
I did not say fires had anything to do with it. In California today they do, which I mentioned in agreement with Percy who said California is an unusual situation, but as one of the videos said, mudslides can happen anywhere there's an elevation (might have been the NOVA program on mudslides), and it just makes sense that the amount of rain happening all over the planet at one time would turn all the elevated areas into mudslides.
Nonsense. Solid bedrock will not turn into a mudslide with just the addition of water.
But I did not say there were any forest fires, you got that out of your own head, and there WERE trees, bazillions of trees, and every kind of life in huge numbers because the world was so lush.
Good, then perhaps you can provide evidence of trees in Cambrian strata.
I'm making things up based on the likelihood of the situation that both God Himself and Nature suggest had to be the case.
Then you should first provide evidence of a god. Then provide evidence that a god had some interaction with the earth.
Speaking of making things up, Old Earthism is the champ at that.
It is supported by evidence.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Whatever the geological record says needs to be interpreted in relation to the Flood which we know occurred.
Yes, evidence needs to be interpreted. However, you have no interpretation for radiometric dates, for instance. My interpretation is that they reflect some kind of systematic error which will eventually be discovered.
Marine transgressions should be good evidence for that. However, the guesses I've made are perfectly reasonable.
No. If the Great Unconformity has such irregularity, it cannot be a shear plane. It's a shear plane where it's a shear plane, and irregular where it's irregular, and examples of both on this thread give evidence that they were created after, and not before, the strata above were deposited. It's not one thing in all places, and none of them are "unconformities" anyway.
I did not say fires had anything to do with it. In California today they do, which I mentioned in agreement with Percy who said California is an unusual situation, but as one of the videos said, mudslides can happen anywhere there's an elevation (might have been the NOVA program on mudslides), and it just makes sense that the amount of rain happening all over the planet at one time would turn all the elevated areas into mudslides.
Nonsense. Solid bedrock will not turn into a mudslide with just the addition of water. Another of your fantasies apparently, like the forest fires and the lack of life before the Flood, since the mudslides would have been a stage on the way to exposed bedrock.
But I did not say there were any forest fires, you got that out of your own head, and there WERE trees, bazillions of trees, and every kind of life in huge numbers because the world was so lush.
Good, then perhaps you can provide evidence of trees in Cambrian strata. Since there was no such thing as a Cambrian time period -- that's just a figment of the geological imagination -- what evidence of former life is found in those rocks lived alongside the life found in all the layered rocks from bottom to top, all at the same time in the pre-Flood world, all the strata being a record of that world.
I'm making things up based on the likelihood of the situation that both God Himself and Nature suggest had to be the case.
Then you should first provide evidence of a god. Then provide evidence that a god had some interaction with the earth. That's what God's word is for. Tons of evidence there, all given for the very purpose of proving His existence and His nature and His constant interactions with this world. It's all there, everything you ask for and much much more. All this clamor for "evidence evidence evidence" and when it's handed to you you throw it away.
Speaking of making things up, Old Earthism is the champ at that.
It is supported by evidence. So you say. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Trilobites and crabs, Faith. Every three months I remind you that they have NEVER been found together. Dimetrodons and dinosaurs. Anomalocarids and ray-finned fish. Stegosaurs and mammoths. Tree ferns and maples.
The entire fossil record says you are Making Stuff Up. "The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trilobites and crabs, Faith. Every three months I remind you that they have NEVER been found together. Dimetrodons and dinosaurs. Anomalocarids and ray-finned fish. Stegosaurs and mammoths. Tree ferns and maples. Yes you do keep harping on this, but all you mean is they aren't found together in the same rocks, which is meaningless. Why should they be?
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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My interpretation is that they reflect some kind of systematic error which will eventually be discovered.
Be sure to let me know.
It's a shear plane where it's a shear plane, and irregular where it's irregular, ...
Won't work. It's like putting two gears together and forcing them to slip.
... and examples of both on this thread give evidence that they were created after, and not before, the strata above were deposited. It's not one thing in all places, and none of them are "unconformities" anyway.
That's like saying that the dropstones were emplaced after all of the strata were in place. That was the purpose of that whole exercise. ABE: What you should actually do in your exercise is place the nut outside of the container and make it materialize within the layers of sediment, forcing the layers to deform around it. /ABE
Another of your fantasies apparently, like the forest fires and the lack of life before the Flood, since the mudslides would have been a stage on the way to exposed bedrock.
Okay, go ahead and run your garden hose on a sheet of granite and be sure to tell us when it turns to mud.
Since there was no such thing as a Cambrian time period -- that's just a figment of the geological imagination -- ....
According to whom?
... what evidence of former life is found in those rocks lived alongside the life found in all the layered rocks from bottom to top, all at the same time in the pre-Flood world, all the strata being a record of that world.
Please show us where tree fossils are found in the same age rock as the Cambrian trilobites. Otherwise, you are just blowing smoke here.
That's what God's word is for. Tons of evidence there, all given for the very purpose of proving His existence and His nature and His constant interactions with this world.
That's not evidence, any more than my word is evidence. Admit it, your god is simply saying what you want her to say.
It's all there, everything you ask for and much much more. All this clamor for "evidence evidence evidence" and when it's handed to you you throw it away.
No, you can't even provide your god as a witness, much less prove that she exists.
So you say.
That is the evidence. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Yes you do keep harping on this, but all you mean is they aren't found together in the same rocks, which is meaningless. Why should they be?
Actually, more to the point, they are not found in the same age rocks. If you say that they are, please provide evidence. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The rocks are all the same age.
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
To expand on a earlier comment ...
I want the experiment to show one of the two following possibilities:
What is the point here? The left side would require further deposition to create a curved layer over the stone, the right side would not. What you will show is that strata form in a non-horizontal state and/or that it can be deformed while soft; neither of which you acknowledge as being possible at the unconformity surface. You will also show that deformation can be non-tectonic, that is: no necessary uplift of basement rocks to get deformed strata. AFAICS, you are only going to show things that you cannot explain with your scenario.
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Admin Director Posts: 13016 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Along the lines of something I said earlier, here's a list of things that can be imagined but that haven't yet been supported with evidence:
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edge Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
The rocks are all the same age.
So now you deny Superposition. Original Horizontality is an immutable law, but Superposition is irrelevant. ABE: Steno must be very upset with you... /ABE Faith, Cenozoic rocks with mammalian fauna are always younger than Cambrian rocks with trilobites. Always. If you don't think so, then please provide a correlation chart showing where trilobites are in the same age rocks as elephants. Edited by edge, : No reason given. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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