Evidence that the Great Unconformity did not Form Before the Strata above it

Just a clarification. I didn't "make up" the "very active seas," I just called it to your attention. As I described in my Message 1248, there are clear implications from your scenarios that you're ignoring, and this seems to be another of them. In order for sediments to remain suspended in water, the water must be active. Otherwise the sediments will fall out of suspension. In order for miles of sediments ranging in size from microscopic to sand to pebbles to rocks to remain suspended in the water, the water must be very active.True, you didn't say the sea were very active, but no one said you said that. It's just a very obvious implication of your scenario.

If the strata forms over the stone, following its contour without any need for subsequent deposition as is claimed, that would be evidence that other intrusives, such as the monadnocks on the McKee diagrams, occurred after the strata above them were already in place rather than that they deposited afterward. That is, the strata form themselves around the intruding object but would deposit horizontally if they came afterward. It would need more than this one experiment to nail it down but it would at least contradict what you all have said about it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Active enough for suspension, fine, it sounded like you were describing it as violent -- VERY active.

You have your reasons for what you think is reasonable, and other people have their reasons for what they think is reasonable, and here in the science forums we let the discussion of evidence decide between them.

And better yet, Faith, find me a trilobite-bearing rock that contains a fossil of a crab, or a perch, or a rat that got caught in a mudslide, or a bird or pleisiosaur.Just one will do.

Oh nonsense. Don't know why you care about Superposition since you don't care about original horizontality. Both are basic principles to me. More likely with you since you deny original horizontality. Sure, but only by maybe a few months or less. Silly of you to try to pretend that "same age" means all deposited in the same millisecond, But now you've dropped that sophism for the usual one. Ho hum.

When Faith said that mudslides can happen anywhere there is an elevation, I don't think she meant rocky mountain sides or bedrock, but rather any soil covered elevation.

Following what contour? The stone? The strata?We have already provided evidence from Chadwick that strata laid down on a sloping surface can be influenced by that surface. If you disagree, please explain. I have no idea what you are talking about here. We know that there WAS subsequent deposition. How else would the stone break through the upper layers? They clearly weren't there. Monadnocks are not intrusives. Look it up. But layering in the sediments is influenced by the irregular surface. We have established that. Not at all. Have you just ignored previous posts on this? This experiment will nail nothing. Where is the pathway of the stone if the layers above it are intact?

Claims about God and Bible are inappropriate for a science thread. Arguments should be supported with evidence.

Then I misunderstood these statements: My point still stands that the whole scenario is impossible to even imagine. There is not enough soil to erode into the sea to form the geological record. The earth is too young and there was not enough water, nore organic material to weather and create soil. Edited by edge, : No reason given.

If a few days of local rain can collapse a thickly forested mountainside, then a worldwide downpour for forty days should collapse a few million times that, and why wouldn't it all become suspended in the flood water as it rises? Inference from the biblical statement that the pre-Flood earth was constantly watered by a mist that rose from the ground; also inference from the abundance of life in the fossil record, which preceded the Flood and no longer exists; and from pre-Flood human longevity which was lost after the Flood, showing health sustained by an environment that no longer exists. Inference from Biblical description of Flood as covering mountains but to a depth that couldn't cover current high mountains; also from biblical reference to God's raising mountains and lowering valleys; also to the scientific evidence of tectonic mountain building which had to have happened after the Flood. Inference from all of the above. Need more plant life to sustain the abundant life of the pre-Flood world.

So, you are saying that the Claron Formation is the same age as the Tapeats Sandstone. But you still can't provide evidence.

You may already have grasped Faith's meaning with her diagram, but I'm not sure, hence this clarification: About the dropstone on the left, Faith is saying that it represents our own understanding of what would happen, that the dropstone would fall onto the layers, and then further deposition would cover the dropstone.About the dropstone on the right, Faith is saying that it represents her own understanding of what would happen, that the dropstone would fall onto the layers and become completely embedded, with the upper layers forming a cap above the dropstone.

Fine, but there are a couple of problems.In the first case, it will look just like the second with continued deposition.In the second case, there is no pathway for the stone. And, in fact, the provided images look exactly like this.

Edge accepts original horizontality and near horizontality. This would be a good time to make another attempt to understand the reasoning behind your position on horizontality.If you added white sand to your tank of water so that it had a 1% slope (a very mild slope), and then you sprinkled black sand evenly across the surface of the water, would it be correct to say that it is your expectation that the black sand would not deposit evenly on top of the white sand but would first accumulate where the white sand was lowest, always maintaining a horizontal surface? Do I have that right? If so, can you explain why this makes sense to you?If you can get another color of sand, this would be a very simple test for your tank.