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coffee_addict
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Message 1 of 13 (757206)
05-04-2015 3:18 PM


The defense department has been researching into taking the accuracy of projectile weaponry to the extreme. They have now created a self-guided .50 caliber bullet that hits moving and evading target every time. Not only that, recent testings have yielded disturbing results: that with this technology people who have never used a rifle before are hitting moving and evading targets just as often as professional snipers with targets as far as 1.2 miles away.
The military just made killing that much easier.
The biggest advantage western soldiers have been having over middle eastern terrorists and rebel fighters is training. Our soldiers aim and fire with discipline while their soldiers just point at a general direction and spray.
Well, if they develop the self-guided bullet technology further, pretty soon pointing at a general direction and spraying is all it takes.
In the mean time, people continue to worry themselves about BS issues like gay marriage...
Edit
I might add that the reason I'm scared is because my ability to dodge bullets like those agents in the Matrix will not be so effective anymore...
Edited by coffee_addict, : No reason given.

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herebedragons
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Message 2 of 13 (757208)
05-04-2015 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
05-04-2015 3:18 PM


Don't worry... they are guided so they will only the hit bad guys. (unless you are a bad guy?)
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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Modulous
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Message 3 of 13 (757212)
05-04-2015 9:16 PM
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05-04-2015 3:18 PM


The biggest advantage western soldiers have been having over middle eastern terrorists and rebel fighters is training. Our soldiers aim and fire with discipline while their soldiers just point at a general direction and spray.
If it takes 250,000 bullets for a disciplined and well-trained soldier to kill a rebel. How many bullets were the spray-and-pray rebels burning through per kill?
I might add that the reason I'm scared is because my ability to dodge bullets like those agents in the Matrix will not be so effective anymore...
They'll only use them against the bad guys. Just make sure to keep skipping ahead of the ever changing definitions and you'll be fine.

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herebedragons
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Message 4 of 13 (757213)
05-04-2015 9:28 PM
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05-04-2015 9:16 PM


If it takes 250,000 bullets for a disciplined and well-trained soldier to kill a rebel. How many bullets were the spray-and-pray rebels burning through per kill?
And if they are spraying 250,000 bullets (WOW!!!) to kill one insurgent, think of all the collateral damage that would come from the 249,999 bullets that missed!
I suppose it would be a good thing if only say, 10,000 rounds need to be fired to hit a single target. But as coffee_addict says, I don't like the idea of making killing so much easier and efficient...
Just make sure to keep skipping ahead of the ever changing definitions and you'll be fine.
LOL.
Or don't live in the "wrong" part of the world.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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AZPaul3
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Message 5 of 13 (757214)
05-04-2015 9:28 PM
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05-04-2015 3:18 PM


They have now created a self-guided .50 caliber bullet that hits moving and evading target every time.
Well, not quite. If the target ducks into an area where the laser designator can't light them up then the bullet has no choice but to hit on whatever the laser is painting. Which means, of course, each gunner will need to keep the laser mounted on the top of his rifle illuminating the target for however long the bullet is in flight else lose the kill. Laser must have direct line of site with the target.
The point being is that as a sniper at long range pulls off a round the target may choose to just casually change his stance from one leg to the other, turn to look at a pretty girl, etc, and avoid the hit. With this beast it doesn't matter how the target moves. If the sniper can keep the laser on the dumb bastards temple no matter how he moves, that is exactly where the bullet will hit.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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herebedragons
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Message 6 of 13 (757216)
05-04-2015 9:48 PM
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05-04-2015 9:28 PM


So the bullet actually changes its path to find the laser spot? Pretty amazing actually. Of course, they probably cost a million dollars each!
Here are some links to the company developing it (since the OP didn't provide any).
EXACTO
Active Programs
quote:
ABOUT TTO
Vision
TTO will rapidly develop new prototype military capabilities that create an asymmetric technological advantage and provide U.S. forces with decisive superiority and the ability to overwhelm our opponents.
Some Crazy Stuff there. I thought we were already militarily superior and had technological advantage over our opponents. Guess not good enough
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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ringo
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Message 7 of 13 (757225)
05-05-2015 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by herebedragons
05-04-2015 9:48 PM


herebedragons writes:
I thought we were already militarily superior and had technological advantage over our opponents.
Well, you're still politically inferior, which is what causes most of your military problems.

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Larni
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Message 8 of 13 (757226)
05-05-2015 3:39 PM


Reminds me of when the crossbow came out: we showed those well trained Knights a thing or two, that day.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
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RAZD
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Message 9 of 13 (757232)
05-05-2015 9:53 PM
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05-04-2015 9:28 PM


alien
Now I wonder how this technology will affect assassinations ... might make the wars shorter if we could shoot beyond the soldiers to the leaders that send them to war ...
Just a though

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Dogmafood
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Message 10 of 13 (757237)
05-06-2015 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
05-04-2015 3:18 PM


Counter measures
Coming soon to a market near you. The amazing laser adsorbing keffiyah by General Dynamics. Guaranteed to reflect poorly on you or your money ba...will be returned to your surviving relatives.
I suspect that it won't be long before they dispense with the bullets altogether and just shoot the laser beam. I wonder what they are doing if this is the kind of thing that they tell us about.
I imagine what we could acheive if we weren't so afraid of each other and, on the other hand, I see what an incredible driver for technological development fear can be.

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Message 11 of 13 (757238)
05-06-2015 9:56 AM
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05-06-2015 8:45 AM


Re: Counter measures
I can just see it now, the laser being redirected back to the place from whence it came.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 12 of 13 (757246)
05-06-2015 1:19 PM
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05-06-2015 9:56 AM


Re: Counter measures
I can just see it now, the laser being redirected back to the place from whence it came.
Technology already used on sailboats to reflect ship radar -- three reflective surfaces each at 90° to each other like the corner of a box.
The solution will be low tech.
but ... drones and guided bullets ... that is scary

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Dogmafood
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Message 13 of 13 (757313)
05-07-2015 8:29 AM
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05-06-2015 9:56 AM


Re: Counter measures
Probably the best way to not get shot at is to not shoot at other people. Of course this doesn't always work.
I was reading a little about laser weapons and discovered that the US signed a treaty to not build blinding lasers. It is so bizarre that we would balk at blinding people but are fine with shooting them with a bullet.
There seems to be a strange lack of non-lethal weapon development. Set phasers to stun.

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