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NoNukes
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Message 262 of 393 (756759)
04-26-2015 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Dubreuil
04-26-2015 5:41 PM


Oh, c'mon. If I would be interested in opinions, then I would discuss with people like Cat Sci. You say it is nothing, then you have maybe a reason for this claim?
I've given my reason repeatedly. It is the same reason given by RAZD, Dr. Adequate and Cat Sci.
Chance would create P.Go=P.Ya(3) with a probability of 1/13. There are 13 persons possible.
Episodes are not created by chance. Star Trek TNG episodes are part action but mainly soap opera type character development where interactions between characters are developed by switching from scene to scene. A lot of the interactions and stories about who affects who and how are built up over long periods of time.
I could describe a lot.
1. P.Ya and P.WeC appear simultaneous then P.Ya is positively affected (for example commended)
2. Any person appears then M14 appears then P.Ya and P.Tr appear simultaneous then M13 appears
3. Any person appears then P.LF appear then P.Da appears then P.Ri appears then P.Ya appears then P.Ri appears then P.Ya is positively affected (for example commended)
Not what I asked you for. I want you to describe a scene. I'm not asking you to string P.LF's and "positively affected" together.
You are seemingly new to this discussion.
No. I am not interested in the part of the discussion where you categorize and calculate. I'm discussing your results from a level of abstraction above that. And from there you do not make any sense.
Since I cannot get you to answer my question, how about you tell me the season/episode of the three or so episodes you used to validate your P.Ya. I'll watch those episodes myself over the next few days.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 274 of 393 (756845)
04-28-2015 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by Dubreuil
04-27-2015 12:34 PM


I've given my reason repeatedly. It is the same reason given by RAZD, Dr. Adequate and Cat Sci.
"Dr Adequate" and "Cat Sci" are not a good reference. If I would still discuss with "Dr Adequate", then he would still insult me.
Insulting or not, their remarks about your inappropriate assignment of probability and your comparison to random remarks, and your "flexible" patterns have been echoed by me, and you've ignored them with or without reference to Dr. Adequate and Cat Sci. You seem determined not to understand the criticism. All you do in response is to do more of the same bad math and then try to impress me with how small a probability number you can calculate, badly.
There are about 45 cars in the parking lot outside of my apartment. Yet I start each morning by getting into the same tan car with the primer colored driver side front panel. What are the odds of that happening?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 278 of 393 (756886)
04-29-2015 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Dubreuil
04-29-2015 1:00 PM


It is likely that you own the car you start in each morning. But your example is not affected by chance.
Exactly.
If the involvement of chance would preclude a time of 59.9 seconds - 60.1 seconds to get to your car every morning, happened 45 out of 47 times, then you are maybe a godlike being. This would be a similar example.
Until you separate the design elements from the chance elements you have no chance of calculating a probability of any occurrence. I have yet to see you make any attempt to identify any elements of direct human choice. All you do is deny that humans have any affect on the establishing a pattern that covers a mere three episodes.
There's nothing to see here. I am out.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 279 of 393 (756887)
04-29-2015 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Dubreuil
04-29-2015 1:00 PM


Silly, no good duplicate.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 282 of 393 (756898)
04-30-2015 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by New Cat's Eye
04-29-2015 9:07 PM


Further, if you translate the arbitrary Pxx+/- crap back into an English phrase describing a Star Trek episode, then it just describes regular old stuff that you'd expect from it to happen.
Nicely said. One sentence that sums up a point I've tried to get him to address in about five or six attempts.
Yes, he forgot the possibility that I know that he is timing how long it takes me to get to my car, and that I am trying to get there in exactly 60 seconds.
Or maybe I have another, completely different goal I am actually shooting for that results in me getting to the car in exactly 60 seconds.
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Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 284 of 393 (756924)
04-30-2015 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by RAZD
04-30-2015 8:26 AM


Re: too many unanswered questions.
Romulans are counted as P.BW instead of P.Wo when the definition of P.BW is "colour black/white, silver, ice, cold, invisible" and the definition of P.Wo includes "hostile aliens"
....
The person P.BW appears wherever a 6 is mentioned or the colour black/white or silver appears.
Sigh...
Edited by NoNukes, : Expand example drawing laughter

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 293 of 393 (756959)
04-30-2015 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 292 by 1.61803
04-30-2015 5:38 PM


Yes, it is numerology
I held off when I saw Omnivorous state it smacked of numerology.
What if a triune God communicated us via Star Trek episodes? Let's do some notating and calculating and see.
or
What if God talked to us via Bible Codes?
Let's do some notating and calculating and see.
Is there really any thing hugely different in these two endeavors?

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 310 of 393 (757170)
05-04-2015 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Dubreuil
05-04-2015 12:19 PM


Re: Moderator Facilitation
just wrong, some of your comments are true, but you claim they disprove the paper. I don't even know why you are still commenting.
Your mistakes and errors in logic won't go away just because you do Dr. Asserting the Consequent. If you don't want to discuss your paper here anymore, you are just going to have to put up with a bit of discussion going on without you. I wouldn't worry about it. Normally such discussions die off fairly quickly. Now that the discussion is around the 300 message point, if you keep quite for awhile admin is likely to put the thread in summary mode prior to closing it out.
It doesn't show what a waste of time this paper actually is.
Fortunately the paper speaks for itself on that topic. But wasting time is often exactly what we do here.
You are garbage.
Perhaps it is for the better that the pretense of civility is gone. Your paper would be an insult and a waste of time for any peer reviewer. If somebody I know offline found out that I'd spent time debating about whether God intervenes in the scripting of Star Trek episodes I'd be embarrassed.
In any event, thanks for providing a topic that both I and the Discovery Institute likely agree on whole heartedly.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 314 of 393 (757211)
05-04-2015 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 311 by Dubreuil
05-04-2015 1:26 PM


Re: Moderator Facilitation
didn't said I you don't want to discuss about the paper anymore
uh, what?

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 316 of 393 (757486)
05-09-2015 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Dubreuil
05-09-2015 11:10 AM


The paper was now accepted for a peer-review. For this purpose the paper was modified to support an intriguing pattern in unconscious human decision processes.
Amusing. I explain why below...
It is most likely that they will withdraw their acceptance if someone would tell them it is only a skeleton paper which ultimately supports ID.
Hilarious. Your paper does not support ID. If you have removed the sections which claim that your work supports ID, there is very little chance that anyone will detect such an intention.
To show that I'm not afraid of the arguments here and that I'm only afraid of the people here...
Your statement is an admission that you are a coward. Didn't your mom ever tell you about sticks, stones, and name calling?
The probability of a random nature was calculated to 1:10^7. That means the non-randomness of the data source has a certainty of 99.99999%. To state I haven't taken into account the non-random nature of the data source is not true. The non-random nature of the data source is a major result of the paper.
The accusation is that you have ignored some particular non-random and conscious human input. Your statement indicates that you still don't get it. Your description of your new paper is amusing because you make the same error again. I am curious to hear whether your new peer reviewers can find the error.
Galileo refrained from holding, teaching or defending heliocentric ideas to avoid stronger actions against him. I did now the same
So now you are Galileo? You are rocking the house, bro!
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
quote:
The Crackpot Index
John Baez
40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.

Je Suis Charlie
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 335 of 393 (759420)
06-11-2015 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 332 by GaryG
06-11-2015 12:53 AM


Re: Theory of Intelligent Design - Get it here!
You don't have a theory. At best you have a hypothesis.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 345 of 393 (759525)
06-12-2015 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by GaryG
06-11-2015 6:47 PM


Re: Theory of Intelligent Design - Get it here!
After having been linked to this thread I only wanted to let Martin know that I'm making good progress on a theory,
The link that GG provided (not repeated here) is to a discussion in which this GaryG is getting totally, thoroughly, and apropriately lambasted.
Coupling that with his BS, overhyped entry here, and one might easily question whether there is anything worth pursuing in another thread. If there is another thread, then I'll show up, but I am not expecting much. GG may be doing some math and programming, but he does not seem to be doing much science.
But perhaps the same thing might have been said about Einstein during the 8 years or so he spend working on General Relativity. Much of that time was spent refining a hypothesis to develop some predictions that could be tested.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 393 of 393 (770826)
10-14-2015 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Dubreuil
09-29-2015 5:59 PM


But the reviewers also agreed that an unconscious human origin is implausible. There were to many other influences for example intentionally created patterns by humans. These additional influences would also change the pattern, and no common pattern would emerge.
The conclusion you reached as quoted above appears to be complete and utter tripe. Your methods would have found patters in the digits of pi if necessary to serve your purpose.
therefore I will send the paper to a few more journals and hope they will overlook this part about the explanation of the pattern.
Why not just drop the shite?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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