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Author Topic:   Where should there be "The right to refuse service"?
JonF
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Message 70 of 928 (728806)
06-03-2014 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by NoNukes
06-03-2014 8:46 AM


I heard that when Sicily enacted a seatbelt law that there was a sudden large market for shirts with diagonal 2" wide black bands.

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JonF
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Message 193 of 928 (729088)
06-05-2014 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
06-05-2014 3:27 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
You are falsely insisting again that Christians must obey certain laws meant for the Israelites that two centuries millennia of Christian theology are clear have nothing to do with Christian life. We are not under the food laws of ancient Israel, we are not a theocracy like ancient Israel and we do not execute sinners. Christ came to save and not to condemn sinners. You keep trying to impose your own false theology on us.
If the Leviticus laws don't apply to Christians, the passages from Genesis do not apply to Christians. Make up your mind.

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JonF
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Message 309 of 928 (729237)
06-07-2014 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by Faith
06-06-2014 8:06 AM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
No I never said "perfect" knowledge of what God wants.
Maybe you've never said exactly that, but you've made it clear in many ways that's what you believe. E.g. you have explicitly said (although you tried to walk it back later) that your interpretation of the Bible is infallible, and that you know the Mind Of God. And you've called those who disagree with you "faux Christians" and several other epithets I don't remember.
Do you have perfect knowledge of the Bible? You obviously think so. Do you use any other sources to figure out what God wants? I bet not.
Arrogance and pride. I don't hate you, I reserve that for people who have done great evil. But you are disgusting. Remember God knows your heart.

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JonF
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Message 310 of 928 (729238)
06-07-2014 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 284 by Faith
06-06-2014 3:51 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
Do you stay up nights thinking up stupid stuff to post? "Belief isn't belief until it's acted upon"? WTF.

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JonF
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Message 311 of 928 (729239)
06-07-2014 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by Faith
06-06-2014 5:07 PM


Re: Denial of service and not the person?
As for
Belief isn't belief until it's acted upon.
That's retarded.
Funny, I distinctly remember its being made a big deal even at EvC that
Faith without works is dead.
Irrelevant. Belief is not a synonym for faith.

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JonF
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Message 855 of 928 (758633)
05-29-2015 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 854 by Faith
05-29-2015 9:31 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
Wow. She really doesn't see that she just proved and emphasized Jar's point.

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JonF
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Message 868 of 928 (758654)
05-30-2015 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 859 by Faith
05-29-2015 10:01 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
We're talking of a country largely comprised of Christians,not a country with an official church or theocracy. David Barton and the other nuts notwithstanding, the Founding Fathers were very careful to explicitly deny that we are a Christian country.

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JonF
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Message 872 of 928 (758660)
05-30-2015 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 870 by Faith
05-30-2015 8:38 AM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
No, their freedom of religion is not removed, just their political power to impose it on the rest of the country, which isn't taken away from anyone except those whose religion preaches the subjugation of everyone else, such as Islam and Roman Catholicism.
Don't forget your particular brand of religion that you are trying to impose on the rest of the country.

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JonF
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Message 901 of 928 (758706)
05-31-2015 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 883 by Faith
05-30-2015 9:21 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
See, the problem is nobody has a real sense of history any more, and I've only been learning some of it recently myself because all we get these days is propaganda. All of the original thirteen colonies had religious constitutions, one of them unfortunately Catholic, but all the rest were "my particular brand of religion," being Bible-based Protestant. That such a foundation was turned into a federal government that denies those Christian roots was an incredible betrayal and there were plenty who objected to it but we don't hear any of that any more, The country was SO Christian in its population and basic worldview that it seemed to BE Christian despite the built-in betrayal. Even the main founders, who were really not Christian, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, weren't looking to get rid of Christianity, not at all, just wanted to cut down on the interdenominational squabbles. Unfortunately they unwittingly set a precedent that allowed all the anti-Christian hatred we see at EvC to flourish as it does today.
Yeah, you're listening to Barton and his crew again.
Yes there were religious state constitutions. Yes there was some discussion of religion in the Constitution.
All else is lies.

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JonF
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Message 902 of 928 (758707)
05-31-2015 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 885 by Faith
05-30-2015 9:30 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
t's what the original American colonies did, and since they were original, how can anyone imagine they would have seen things any differently when it came to establishing a federal government.
Because they saw firsthand the problems that the original plans caused.

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JonF
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Message 903 of 928 (758708)
05-31-2015 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 889 by nwr
05-30-2015 11:51 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
Does it make any sense that the original extremely Christian colonies with their Christian laws could possibly have intentionally designed a secular Constitution that would eventually allow the anti-Christian attitudes expressed now at EvC?
There aren't anti-Christian attituded being expressed here.
Of course they are. In every message.
You forget Faith defines words as she wishes. "Anti=Christian" means "not agreeing with Faith in every particular".

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JonF
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Message 904 of 928 (758709)
05-31-2015 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 895 by Rrhain
05-31-2015 2:20 AM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
And yet, somehow that is exactly opposite of what happened. For someone who claims to know so much history, Faith, you seem to have forgotten to start with the very document that those people produced.
You may not be aware that there's a cottage industry in the US, David Barton and his ilk, that specializes in lying about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers to make "christians" like Faith feel better about their refusal to follow Jesus.

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JonF
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Message 918 of 928 (758726)
05-31-2015 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Faith
05-31-2015 3:19 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
If you reject Barton as false, why do you spout his lies? Your claims about the Constitution and Founding Fathers are straight out of his playback.

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