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jar
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Message 916 of 928 (758724)
05-31-2015 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 914 by Faith
05-31-2015 3:16 PM


Re: the absurdity of the Pope as Antichrist
Faith writes:

Well, the idea is not popular among Christians so you can drop your smear of all Christians.

Again you simply post falsehoods, Faith. As a Christian I most certainly do not smear all Christians and have tried to always carefully delineate that I am speaking about the Christian Cult of Ignorance and not all Christians.

And of course Hitler was also certainly no AntiChrist though he certainly was a Christian.

But you still have shown no example of persecution of Christians in the US or any reason to think that the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian or that the Pope is some anti-Christ or that there will ever be some anti-Christ or if it would even matter.


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NoNukes
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Message 917 of 928 (758725)
05-31-2015 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 912 by Faith
05-31-2015 3:08 PM


Re: Turing Test
You have a knack for misreading me that I can never anticipate. I wasn't saying that the idea is non-Biblical at all, I merely happened to mention that the biblical specifics of an individual Antichrist might or might not also be part of the analysis.

That's your defense? It might or might not be?

The idea that a line of popes is the Anti-Christ is non-Biblical. If you want to deny that I can infer that you know that from what you've posted, so be it.

Telling me Luther said it just tells me that you raise Luther to the level of Jesus and the Bible. It is not an argument that your premise is Biblical. Luther was also an anti-Semite. I guess that raises hating Jews to being Biblical as well.

We understand that human decency is beyond you. But don't blame that crap on the Bible. Your hatred of Catholics is on you and your willingness to treat non-Christians as a lower caste, and your lack of even the slightest amount of empathy for your fellow man is all yours no matter where you claim to have learned it.

Not commenting further on this. I'm too disgusted.

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JonF
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Message 918 of 928 (758726)
05-31-2015 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 915 by Faith
05-31-2015 3:19 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
If you reject Barton as false, why do you spout his lies? Your claims about the Constitution and Founding Fathers are straight out of his playback.

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Faith 
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Message 919 of 928 (758728)
05-31-2015 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by NoNukes
05-31-2015 4:16 PM


Re: Turing Test
You have a knack for misreading me that I can never anticipate. I wasn't saying that the idea is non-Biblical at all, I merely happened to mention that the biblical specifics of an individual Antichrist might or might not also be part of the analysis.

That's your defense? It might or might not be?

Your knack just never lets up apparently. "Defense?" I was correcting your strange misreading. Now I have another strange misreading to correct. The point was I'm not sure all the Reformers who identified the papacy as the Antichrist also argued for a Final Antichrist, or were content to identify the Antichrist with the papacy without the expectation of a final singular representative.

The idea that a line of popes is the Anti-Christ is non-Biblical. If you want to deny that I can infer that you know that from what you've posted, so be it.

Since what you infer from what I post is so amazingly wrong most of the time I can only conclude that you're inferring something out of your own head,.

If you don't know how the Reformers argued, you can't say they're wrong to identify the papacy as the Antichrist, you are merely relying on your own ideas.


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Message 920 of 928 (758729)
05-31-2015 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 918 by JonF
05-31-2015 4:32 PM


Re: Inquisition still continuing
Barton quoted John Adams out of context to put a Christian understanding of the Holy Spirit in his mouth, when what Adams was actually doing was ridiculing the idea of the Holy Spirit. That removed Barton forever in my judgment from any right to be taken seriously on any subject.

I suspect you think any defense of the Christian influences in the founding of America has to come from Barton, but it doesn't. This nation was saturated with a Christian consciousness despite the Enlightenment influences. I don't know enough about it all, that's true, but to pretend that there was any "secular" notion behind the Constitution, even from the least Christian of the framers, just completely misses the spirit of the times.

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Faith 
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Message 921 of 928 (758730)
05-31-2015 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 917 by NoNukes
05-31-2015 4:16 PM


Re: Turing Test
I wasn't going to answer the rest of this but oh well. God will judge you in the end.

Telling me Luther said it just tells me that you raise Luther to the level of Jesus and the Bible. It is not an argument that your premise is Biblical. Luther was also an anti-Semite. I guess that raises hating Jews to being Biblical as well.

Luther was not an Anti-Semite. He tried to befriend the Jews because he came to understand that the Roman Church WAS anti-Semitic, but when he found out the blasphemies the Jews wrote against Christ he went ballistic. That is not Anti-Semitism. Hotheaded overreaction of someone jealous for the honor of Christ is more like it.

We understand that human decency is beyond you.

Wow.

But don't blame that crap on the Bible.

Luther took all his analysis of the papacy as the Antichrist directly from the Bible. If you don't know what he wrote you haven't a clue to its biblical basis.

Your hatred of Catholics is on you and your willingness to treat non-Christians as a lower caste, and your lack of even the slightest amount of empathy for your fellow man is all yours no matter where you claim to have learned it.

You clearly can't tell the difference between a doctrinal debate and a personal attitude. I have no hatred for Catholics, or lack of empathy for sinners and nothing I've said comes from such an attitude. I object to the Catholic institution, I think Catholics need to learn to see through it for their own good, so they can find salvation where there really is salvation. And I will not pretend that homosexuals are not sinners, which would be condemning them to Hell. You are the one doing that when you lie about their condition. In fact all the hatred for gays and Catholics is on your side, not mine.

Not commenting further on this. I'm too disgusted.

Well, I'm sure God will eventually let you know how far wrong you've gone.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 922 of 928 (758731)
05-31-2015 5:40 PM


reformation positions
The main people seen as leaders of the reformation, Luther, Calvin, Knox, Zwingli, Henry, John, James, Mary, Mary, Elizabeth and the rest were ignorant of much that we know today and morally bankrupt compared to today and almost anyone today. They were wrong about human rights, women's rights, racial rights as well as civil rights and so their opinions on such subjects or anything involving reality and science are pretty much worthless.

Edited by jar, : left out a conjunction so does that mean conjuctionitist?


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Message 923 of 928 (758732)
05-31-2015 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 855 by JonF
05-29-2015 9:45 PM


The Golden Rule
Re: Inquisition still continuing
Wow. She really doesn't see that she just proved and emphasized Jar's point.

Yes, and the curious thing is that ALL religions and cultures have some variation of the golden rule -- to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

There is no right to refuse service that supersedes the right of people to be treated as human beings.

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Message 924 of 928 (758734)
05-31-2015 7:23 PM
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05-31-2015 6:07 PM


Re: The Golden Rule
And if folk read the Bible even Jesus takes the position that common sense also takes precedence over the laws. If your ass falls in a crack on the Sabbath you pull it out even if it is work.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 925 of 928 (758735)
05-31-2015 8:49 PM


The Reformers on Antichrist
Brief statements of what the Reformers said about Antichrist:

http://www.the-bible-antichrist.com/...eformers-believe.html

Luther:

"nothing else than the kingdom of Babylon and of very Antichrist. For who is the man of sin and the son of perdition, but he who by his teaching and his ordinances increases the sin and perdition of souls in the church; while he yet sits in the church as if he were God? All these conditions have now for many ages been fulfilled by the papal tyranny." (Martin Luther, First Principles, pp. 196-197)

And many others.


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jar
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Message 926 of 928 (758736)
05-31-2015 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 925 by Faith
05-31-2015 8:49 PM


Re: The Reformers on Antichrist
Again, as has been pointed out, what does that have to do with anything? Martin Luther was wrong about so many things and ignorant of so much that what he thought is of absolutely no relevance or worth when discussing today, morality or the US. The man was an ignorant antisemitic fanatic unfit to be in polite company today.

Second, First Principles is a collection of Martin Luther's writings which you are quoting out of context from a site that is simply more examples of taking quotes out of context; a classic example of the dishonesty of so many of today's Christian propaganda mills.


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Message 927 of 928 (758737)
05-31-2015 9:18 PM
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05-31-2015 9:13 PM


Re: The Reformers on Antichrist
Funny, they forgot Jan Hus.

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Message 928 of 928 (758884)
06-05-2015 4:23 AM



Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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