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Author Topic:   Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.
Faith 
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Message 121 of 375 (759124)
06-09-2015 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by jar
06-09-2015 7:51 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Word magic is a great thing isn't it? Call anybody a lawbreaker and you can punish them without any qualms. That's really the history of the world in a nutshell if you think about it. Call Jesus a lawbreaker you can crucify Him. etc.

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saab93f
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Message 122 of 375 (759126)
06-09-2015 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
06-09-2015 8:07 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Word magic is a great thing isn't it? Call anybody a lawbreaker and you can punish them without any qualms. That's really the history of the world in a nutshell if you think about it. Call Jesus a lawbreaker you can crucify Him. etc.
Boo-effing-hoo Faith. Just because of popularity you have been bullies who without regret have killed, maimed and tortured those who dont BELIEVE like you do. Now that the tables have taken a slightest turn (ie. you cannot kill atheists at will but have to retort to just hating and condemning) you act like primadonnas whose toes have been stepped on.
Did you decide to be a heterosexual or was it something you were born as? I was apparently born hetero but some of my friends were not. Calling them sinners is way worse than calling a believer delusional because unlike belief, you cannot outgrow what you are.

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jar
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Message 123 of 375 (759127)
06-09-2015 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
06-09-2015 8:07 AM


"Bible believers" don't believe the Bible.
Well, Jesus was a law breaker and was punished if the stories happen to be true.
But that still has nothing to do with reality. Reality is that "Bible believers" believe their fantasy of what the Bible actually says and revised and edited and interpreted and redacted by all of the thousands of apologists over the last couple thousand years and not what the Bible actually says.
There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that says "Don't bake a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage" and as you have been shown there is instruction that says common courtesy and reality take precedence over obeying God's laws.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Faith 
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Message 124 of 375 (759128)
06-09-2015 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by saab93f
06-09-2015 8:18 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Word magic is a great thing isn't it? Call anybody a lawbreaker and you can punish them without any qualms. That's really the history of the world in a nutshell if you think about it. Call Jesus a lawbreaker you can crucify Him. etc.
Boo-effing-hoo Faith. Just because of popularity you have been bullies who without regret have killed, maimed and tortured those who dont BELIEVE like you do.
Not so. Bible believers have a million times more often been the victims of religious persecution. Learn some history.
Now that the tables have taken a slightest turn (ie. you cannot kill atheists at will but have to retort to just hating and condemning) you act like primadonnas whose toes have been stepped on.
'
When did Bible believers make a practice of killing atheists. You've swallowed a ton of lies.
Did you decide to be a heterosexual or was it something you were born as? I was apparently born hetero but some of my friends were not. Calling them sinners is way worse than calling a believer delusional because unlike belief, you cannot outgrow what you are.
I was born with a ton of sin in me of all kinds, including tons of sinful heterosexual inclinations, aberrations, perversions and whatnot. Such inborn sin exerts a powerful influence on a person, and sometimes demons get into the act and make it worse, which I've often suspected in my own case. And that's not counting the inborn tendency to every other kind of sin. Jesus came to save us from ALL of it, but pretending you aren't a sinner cuts you off from His salvation.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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vimesey
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Message 125 of 375 (759131)
06-09-2015 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by Faith
06-09-2015 7:44 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
I know what the Bible means, unbelievers don't. That's the simple truth.
Nope. Not unless you can prove it. Until you can, it's an opinion, and when it comes to them, yours are no better than mine or anyone else's.
I'm a sinner God saved. I don't throw stones at other sinners, I want them to be saved too.
I'm a sinner who has no interest in being saved, if it involves adopting your world view. I believe that to do so would make me a less good person. I like the quotation from Mylene Farmer: "Si le Ciel a un enfer, le Ciel peut bien m'attendre." (Roughly "If Heaven has a hell, then Heaven can go swivel.")
We do not treat anyone as less than anyone else.
You would deny gay couples the right to marry. That is treating them as less than hetero people. Fewer rights = treating someone as less.
The devil has been plotting this for years
Never met the guy, so I wouldn't know. (It does puzzle me, though, how an omnipotent and benevolent God would put up with someone pissing in his sand box. I mean, free will to people, to sin on their own, that I would understand, but putting up with someone actively messing up your beautiful creation ? I'd show the guy the door faster than Gloria Gaynor).

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Faith 
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Message 126 of 375 (759132)
06-09-2015 9:02 AM
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06-09-2015 8:47 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
When I'm required to sin against God in order to "treat people right" by pretending sin isn't sin I'm surprised the planet doesn't just implode.

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vimesey
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Message 127 of 375 (759133)
06-09-2015 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
06-09-2015 9:02 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
It's astonishing just how often it doesn't.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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jar
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Message 128 of 375 (759134)
06-09-2015 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Faith
06-09-2015 9:02 AM


More NewThink and NewSpeach from Faith
Faith writes:
When I'm required to sin against God in order to "treat people right" by pretending sin isn't sin I'm surprised the planet doesn't just implode.
Sorry but no Christian has been required to sin against God or pretend what they consider sin is not sin. To claim otherwise is simply not true.
The "Bible believers" are free to think that baking a cake for a same-sex marriage is a sin, they are simply not free to discriminate as a business. And there is NO Biblical basis for not baking a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage.
No "Bible believer" has ever been told they have to marry someone of the same-sex or even approve of a same-sex marriage reception.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 129 of 375 (759145)
06-09-2015 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by saab93f
06-09-2015 3:57 AM


Re: respect vs tolerance
I agree with thee. Then again - a slippery slope this is. If a believer can justify his/her condemning homosexuals with the Bible or because "that is what the Lord commands" AND that is seen as an acceptable reason by a majority then what? In the US (at least that is what it looks like to an outsider) saying God or telling that the Bible says so seems to be a "Get out of Jail -card" because it is intended to shut the mouths of the opposition - how can anyone rise against the "Good Book"...
In the US (although also applicable to other places but as an American I will limit my comments to the US) we did allow "God said" as an affirmative defense for a long time. But we evolve and that works less and each year. Of course there will also be set backs and evolution is not single direction or uniform.
Condemning folk, damning folk, considering folk as lower than slime, as sinners is, thank God, protected here in the US. We have the right to label folk, to disapprove of folk, to not associate with folk and even to hate, despise and denigrate folk in private lives, private organization and in our chosen religion. We have the right to publicly castigate, rebuke, chastise, scold, admonish, reprove or chide anyone for their beliefs, characteristics, sex, behavior, dress, food. smell, national origin, religion, political or cultural association.
What we do not have is the right to act beyond speech on those things outside some private association, private organization or religion.
Is it perfect?
Nope.
Is is always effective?
Nope.
But we do seem to be moving slowly towards a better society.
Our biggest issue is still our failure to teach kids how to think and this limits everything above. If we teach that "God says so" is an affirmative defense then we get the society we create.
If you read the posts here from the "Bible believers" I'm sure you have noticed that they do not actually believe what the Bible says but rather what they have been told the Bible says. This creates the absurdities we see in this and other threads as well as in the news.
Education though is difficult, painful and almost often a matter of teaching people what they don't want to know.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 130 of 375 (759155)
06-09-2015 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Faith
06-09-2015 8:31 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Faith writes:
I was born with a ton of sin in me....
I take full credit for all of my sins.

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Message 131 of 375 (759198)
06-09-2015 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Faith
06-09-2015 8:07 AM


Re: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Call Jesus a lawbreaker you can crucify Him.
Just like gays in Christian America. Call them breakers of your interpretation of your book's law and you take license to crucify them.

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Greatest I am
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Message 132 of 375 (759200)
06-09-2015 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by ringo
06-08-2015 12:53 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
Which is why I targeted the Qur'an in the O.P.
Kill the brain dead today and prevent the brain dead of tomorrow by taking away what is causing them.
I know that those changes would have to come from within Islam as well but if we do not push a bit, nothing will change.
Then your famous Einstein quote would apply.
To do nothing which is what we have been doing and expect change would be a sign of insanity.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 133 of 375 (759201)
06-09-2015 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by MrHambre
06-08-2015 1:17 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
MrHambre
I did not put that information into the university cariculum and if higher science insults fools then so be it.
The intelligent need not kowtow to fools.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 134 of 375 (759202)
06-09-2015 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
06-08-2015 1:19 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Faith
What delusion do you think I have?
I hold no belief in the supernatural. Even after my apotheosis, best described as finding Jacobs ladder, I remain firmly in reality.
I do not need to know how a mentally sick or delusional mind got that way but to ignore it is hardly a Christian or moral thing to do now is it.
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
But do mot get me wrong. If Christian and Muslim delusions and Idol worship did not cause the homophobia and misogyny that they do cause, I would ignore them.
Benign belief I ignore but see it as everyones duty to fight damaging beliefs.
If the G D religious can tell gays that it is ok to be gay as long as they do not do the things gays do, then we can tell the religious the same and tell them they can believe all the idiocies they want, as long as the do not act on them.
After all, reciprocity is fair play.
I also trust the morality of my belief system because, as Universalists, we cannot be homophobic or misogynous.
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 135 of 375 (759204)
06-09-2015 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by MrHambre
06-08-2015 1:34 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
MrHambre
" what ends the marginalization is passing laws to make it illegal, not just convincing people to abandon their false beliefs."
It might be my use of language but it seem like you are saying that the religious, even when they know better, will not do the moral thing without a written law.
That seems to fly in the face of what Jesus said about writing the laws of God in ones heart.
Regards
DL

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