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Author Topic:   Is religion good for us?
Tangle
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Message 170 of 181 (759234)
06-10-2015 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Phat
06-10-2015 2:03 AM


Re: Wow! talk about off topic !!!
Phat writes:
But why must evidence be provided for a belief?
If evidence could be provided for a belief, it would no longer be a belief it would be a fact. People don't believe in facts, they accept facts.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Tangle
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Message 172 of 181 (759238)
06-10-2015 6:48 AM
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06-10-2015 3:14 AM


Re: Wow! talk about off topic !!!
Phat writes:
My point is that you dismiss any and all beliefs...due to no evidence.
You've only got part of it. Those that reject religion do it for many reasons - one of which may also be just a belief; a belief that it's all nonsense.
Speaking for myself I reject it because there's no evidence at all for any of its precepts, but also that most of what religions thought/think were/are true have been factually shown to be incorrect.
On top of that, much of bible based religious teachings are immoral and harmful and many of its teachers are corrupt and abusive. Religious history is littered with atrocities and is quite plainly simple a struggle for wealth and power. The entirety of it is shown quite easily to be a human construct.
If there is a good side to all this, it's that everyday people have been able to build communities and support groups and had some comfort in thinking that all their pain and struggles in this life will be rewarded in the next. Opium for the masses.
Granted we believers may be engaging in fantasy but this is not a default conclusion simply because evidence is lacking.
It damn well should be. Why would you accept anything as important as this on no evidence whatsoever?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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