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Author Topic:   Jihadists must die, --- but our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible.
Greatest I am
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Message 174 of 375 (759338)
06-10-2015 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Faith
06-10-2015 4:27 PM


Re: WRe: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Faith
I know of no true Christian.
Those, so your WORD says, have given everything up to follow Jesus. They are a rare breed indeed.
Regards
DL

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Message 177 of 375 (759450)
06-11-2015 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by ringo
06-10-2015 4:38 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
I was talking of your two political party system.
That aside.
Are the right wing Muslims more likely to listen to other Muslims or more likely to listen to non-Muslims?
Correct. Muslims.
Now all we have to do is get the more reasonable left leaning Muslims to move their right wing brothers to a better way of interpreting their Qur'an and or modifying it to suit the way it has been modified before.
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DL

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Message 178 of 375 (759451)
06-11-2015 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by jar
06-10-2015 5:34 PM


Re: respect vs tolerance
Jar
"So once again, as with Islam and Christianity and the Bible and the Qur'an, Sharia law is not the problem.
Are you beginning to see a pattern yet?"
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Yes. A pattern of you saying that a religious problem has nothing to do with religion.
You like to use ignorant for me. You are a lot worse and I do not take your kind of abuse will so if you want to chat, smarten up.
I have dealt with your ignorance so far by ignoring it.
Do it again and I will ignore you.
Regards
DL

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Message 182 of 375 (759474)
06-11-2015 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by mikechell
06-11-2015 8:00 PM


Re: Trying to follow ...
mikechell
Many regimes, from Hitler to Christianity new and old, political and religious, set great store in having the right kind of literature out there and in the case of new regimes, burning books they feel do not serve the new public good.
Education has been proposed as the best tool against jihadists and to Muslim's, their Qur'an is their main book of religious education for both their religion and their Sharia law.
To me, it is the height of idiocy to thing we can convince the Muslim community to soften their stance on infidels while their book of education and law tells them to kill them.
I recognize that the elimination of the old books would be nearly impossible. But you may not have noticed all the revisions the bible has gone through and that most Christians are quoting the new ones and not the old ones.
I rest my case.
Regards
DL

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Message 186 of 375 (759506)
06-12-2015 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by mikechell
06-11-2015 9:11 PM


Re: Trying to follow ...
mikechell
It was good story telling and a passing up of intelligent thought for sure, until people started reading the stories and myths literally.
That is when the killing started and is what is maintaining division today.
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
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DL

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Message 187 of 375 (759507)
06-12-2015 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Bliyaal
06-12-2015 9:17 AM


Re: WRe: "But the second stone, up for grabs."
Bliyaal
I have some similar thoughts in that much about religion and somewhat evidenced by so many interpretations, even within the major religious beliefs, Christianity having thousands of identified divisions within it, that religion is a human invention. What is interesting is that in Matthew Chapter 5, taken literally or not, Christ is said to have told his followers to "be perfect" as God, yet elsewhere there appear to be reiterations that humans could have no hope of ever being as perfect as God and in fact, were they to become or try to assume perfection, God would not only be jealous, but eject them from heaven.
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DL

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Message 189 of 375 (759513)
06-12-2015 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by AZPaul3
02-28-2015 2:21 PM


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Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 190 of 375 (759514)
06-12-2015 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by ringo
06-12-2015 11:48 AM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
ringo
Unworkable?
How would we know when we have not made the attempt?
You are saying that the right cannot compromise with the left and that is just silly.
Regards
DL

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Message 192 of 375 (759516)
06-12-2015 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by ringo
06-12-2015 12:45 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
Not really. Just to move toward the center or left.
That can be sold as progress.
Regards
DL

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Message 194 of 375 (759535)
06-12-2015 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by ringo
06-12-2015 1:04 PM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
Ringo
Survival and decency, Hopefully as expressed by the left.
And if the left do not cooperate then the West and the rest of the world may have to find a more persuasive way than negotiation and education.
Lets hope diplomacy works.
To just not do anything about jihadist creation by Islam after this last round of war and killing would just insure that we have to kill more of them later.
Regards
DL
Regards
DL

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Message 226 of 375 (759797)
06-15-2015 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by ringo
06-13-2015 11:43 AM


Re: The End of the End of Faith
ringo
"let's do nothing. It's cheaper."
For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
You go ahead and do nothing.
I would rather fight the good fight than to lay down and let my children and grand children suffer the evils of religions.
Regards
DL

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Message 227 of 375 (759798)
06-15-2015 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by jar
06-13-2015 11:59 AM


jar
"the Bible stories they say the God character is not Omnipotent"
"Have you actually read the Bible?"
Just for your records.
Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Regards
DL

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Message 228 of 375 (759799)
06-15-2015 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by GDR
06-13-2015 3:55 PM


GDR
Would a just God torture a baby for 6 days before finally killing it as shown in the King David story?
If such actions are just, would you do so it your God told you to do it?
Regards
DL

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Message 237 of 375 (759881)
06-15-2015 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by jar
06-15-2015 10:39 AM


jar
I agree that the bible is a great book for seeking God.
Or at least it was before Christians became idol worshipers and actually started to think the myth it shows to be reality and history.
That killed the usefulness of it as a tool for seeking God.
Did I show you this. Pardon my poor memory if I did.
Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
Please listen as to what is said about literal reading.
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
Regards
DL

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Message 238 of 375 (759882)
06-15-2015 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by GDR
06-15-2015 11:11 AM


GDR
Seems that you want to take the good parts and say they are of God and the evil parts even where God is involved becomes man's evil.
Not an honest way to evaluate a story that.
Regards
DL

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