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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
So when I post, saying "It's a passion which can't face questioning its cost", you reply "Your arguments are so silly they don't even deserve the attention required to address them." You're illustrating my point for me.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
duplicate of Message 3427 delayed overnight ... weird
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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mikechell writes: 3) At this moment, starting next month (7/15/2015), the American Government is starting a military joint exercise called "Jade-Helm-15". In several States, they have closed Walmart Stores and are using the space to amass military equipment. The premise of the exercise is to prepare the military for "urban set up and combat." There are currently trains of box cars with shackles on the inside, traveling across America. Nothing like a conspiracy theorist in full kemmer. --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
2) Even if the government outlawed them, no one would willingly give them up.
There are no serious proposals to outlaw guns. More regulation is what is being advocated.
3) At this moment, starting next month (7/15/2015), the American Government is starting a military joint exercise called "Jade-Helm-15". In several States, they have closed Walmart Stores and are using the space to amass military equipment. The premise of the exercise is to prepare the military for "urban set up and combat." There are currently trains of box cars with shackles on the inside, traveling across America.
Please provide you evidence the US Government closed WalMart stores to amass military equipment. Also, what is you source for he premise you espouse? Finally, provide your source for the shackle trains.
4) One of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment is to protect ourselves if the government gets to thinking it's a dictatorship.
Provide relevant writings from the Founding Fathers to support this theory.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Boy you really told him. You also showed you have no argument. But boy, you sure told him. Read the three or four other threads on this exact same topic if you want to see my argument. This is stuff we've been over again and again and again and again. For reference:
Anti-Debate: Interpreting the 2nd AmendmentGuns for the record (re: guns thread) How can we regulate guns ... ? The Second Amendment Gun Control & 2nd Amendment For vimesey's enjoyment Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
So when I post, saying "It's a passion which can't face questioning its cost", you reply "Your arguments are so silly they don't even deserve the attention required to address them." You mean when you post utter nonsense? Of course. See the list of previous threads I presented in Message 3440 if you want to see where the costs have already been debated. Then, if you have something new to add, we can address those additional points. But if you expect anyone to put time into addressing your emotionally-charged knee jerking, you're delusional.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
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Edited by Jon, : delete msg.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
3) At this moment, starting next month (7/15/2015), the American Government is starting a military joint exercise called "Jade-Helm-15". In several States, they have closed Walmart Stores and are using the space to amass military equipment. The premise of the exercise is to prepare the military for "urban set up and combat." There are currently trains of box cars with shackles on the inside, traveling across America. I just never realized how all these things go together before: The Corporate demons of WalMart open a store in a small town and drive out all the other business; they realize their business is going poorly and close down themselves, forcing everyone to drive fifteen miles to get to the nearest WalMart. Liberal democrats attempt to restrict popular access to guns. An increasing economy brings about more rail traffic. And to the conspiracy loons this means that the evil liberal democrats are shutting down WalMarts to make room for military store houses, taking away people's guns to disarm them, and rolling out prisons on rails across the country. All to build up to the day when swarms of big gub'ment soldiers march out of abandoned WalMarts to rape and pillage. Love your enemies!
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mikechell Inactive Member |
There are no serious proposals to outlaw guns. More regulation is what is being advocated.
Okay ... maybe I'll concede part of this point. I have no problem with increasing wiat times or doing better background checks. The problem is our government is run on the "If they give us an inch, we'll take a mile" philosophy. You know they always try to over do it, to gain more control where possible.Where do the regulations stop? Please provide you evidence the US Government closed WalMart stores to amass military equipment.
From "StarsandStripes" Army Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria, a USASOC spokesman, confirmed that there is an upcoming exercise called Jade Helm 15 which is scheduled to take place this summer at locations in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, California and Nevada. 4) One of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment is to protect ourselves if the government gets to thinking it's a dictatorship.
Provide relevant writings from the Founding Fathers to support this theory. This was credited to Thomas Jefferson:
When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Although, it now seems this might not be a written quote ... it still rings true. I am still sticking to my guns (pun intended) that gun ownership isn't the problem in this Country. The lack of proper gun education is. I would accept classes and licensing ... which, though offered, is not required in all States.evidence over faith ... observation over theory
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Jon Inactive Member |
Whether you're right or wrong doesn't matter if you aren't willing to present supporting evidence.
Love your enemies!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
So nothing at all to support your insane assertions about Jade Helm. I really didn't expect any.
The quote is not quote from Jefferson. It has made the rounds of all the gun nuts, but it is a lie. The quote didn't even exist until 1989.Thomas Jefferson Encyclopedia | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello Liars for guns are no different than liars for Jesus. So you have absolutely nothing to back up anything in your post. You might want to reconsider your style of argumentation. It doesn't see m to work so well. You might want to drop your signature.
evidence over faith ... observation over theory
Because you are not using evidence or observation. You accept things on faith and gut feeling. Not very scientific.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The problem is our government is run on the "If they give us an inch, we'll take a mile" philosophy.
No, that's not our government. That's the purely imaginary government that gun nuts have invented, so that they can have something to rail against.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You do realize that accusation is totally paranoid, and reeks of unthinking fear and unreasoning listening too right wing paranoia talk show radio.
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mikechell Inactive Member
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First off ... my apologies.
I did let myself be fooled by someone else's "research." Once I started looking into the "Walmart" part of the story for myself ... I found there was no actual pictures of military equipment in the stores. A guy, probably sleeping in the cab, with a few Humvees on the back of a flatbed, is no proof of anything. I am still not sure what the government agencies and military are doing with Jade-Helm 15. In my 12 years as a Marine, I NEVER trained anywhere but inside the boundaries of military bases. So, I've never been one to credit conspiracy theories and I am sorry for temporarily giving this one credence. The problem is our government is run on the "If they give us an inch, we'll take a mile" philosophy.
No, that's not our government. That's the purely imaginary government that gun nuts have invented, so that they can have something to rail against. Considering the number of entitlement programs ... and the constant drive to over-tax the very people who pay the most taxes already ... I will only trust the government when it starts reducing it's workforce and stops spending more than it takes in. Right now ... there is PLENTY to rail against in big government.evidence over faith ... observation over theory
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mikechell Inactive Member |
You do realize that accusation is totally paranoid, and reeks of unthinking fear and unreasoning listening too right wing paranoia talk show radio. I do not listen to the radio at all. I do not suffer from "unthinking fear and paranoia". I look at a government that is constantly spending money like it makes a profit on something. It doesn't. It's only "income" is taxes. So it keeps demanding more money for programs it can't afford to pay for.Forced charity ... it doesn't work, it's never worked and it won't work in our future. I don't trust any of the crooks in Washington, D.C. at this time ... they're all corrupt. That is reality ... not paranoia. evidence over faith ... observation over theory
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