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Author Topic:   Does science function to supress knowledge of God and God's work?
Prozacman
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Message 6 of 18 (75846)
12-30-2003 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
12-21-2001 6:57 PM


Are you surmising that the creationists are saying that the sciences may be driven by a conspiracy-theory? Namely, that part of the training a budding scientist recieves is to learn to consiously interpret the world in such a way that God & religion are left out of the equation? Or are we to believe, as I do that some creationists would like to see changes in the scientific-method to include things like testing the "God hypothesis"? And how on earth does one test ephemeral stuff like that anyway? Or do the creationists want to rid the scientific-method of error-bars, statistical analysis, Occam's razor, and lower the standards of what constitutes acceptable evidence by scientific peer-review? Believe me when I write that when I was a former fundee-creationist that people in my former church and in the 'circle' of creationist thinkers I belonged to, talked about this 'conspiracy of scientists' and how they (the creationists) wanted to rework the scientific-method to their advantage.
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Prozacman
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Message 15 of 18 (76021)
12-31-2003 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by NosyNed
12-30-2003 8:12 PM


My college logic professor warned us students to look out for 'arguments from authority'. It seems that creationists could gain the political clout to get into our public schools, as they have done in some backward conservative states, and persuade the teachers & kids(future scientists) to throw out the scientific-method, or at least water it down quite a bit. Dr. Sagan wrote about this sort of influence in our educational & political systems in his book; "The Demon Haunted World", where he argues for very high standards of evidence when scientists do their work. I presume you have read his books. It seems to me that one example of this "reworking" involves lowering standards of evidence in the minds of young future scientists. I can just hear the thoughts of some creationists as they say to themselves, "If we could infiltrate the schools, and get the kids to believe that hard evidence doesn't matter all that much when inquiring about Nature, then we can easily persuade the kids to believe God does it all." That is how I & my former creationist friends thought. As to the notion that trained/degree'd scientists are all out there attempting to consiously disuade everybody that God has nothing to do with anything, I think is quite against the spirit of scientific inquiry. Why? Because I still remember Mr. Komark, my 7th grade physical science teacher say, "...scientists must be open to evidence & new ideas." That is distinctly opposed to the 'set in stone', absolutist statements of creationists who would like all the rest of us to believe the crap that science conspires against belief in God.
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Prozacman
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Message 17 of 18 (86436)
02-15-2004 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Minnemooseus
02-14-2004 2:37 AM


Re: Mostly a bump
I agree with you that at this point in time scientists who study evolution are generally in agreement about the state of the art theory(evolution) is pretty strong while the details are still being worked out. Excellent point Moose.
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