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MrHambre
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Message 571 of 578 (760231)
06-18-2015 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


They caught the kid who killed the nine people in the church in Charleston. So let's find out what possessed him and then execute him by firing squad at dawn. I'm serious. But I expect the usual misquided handwringing about executing a murderer

Can we all just agree that the best thing we can do in the wake of such a horrible, senseless tragedy is to draw Mohammed?

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AZPaul3
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Message 572 of 578 (760237)
06-18-2015 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


So let's find out what possessed him and then execute him by firing squad at dawn. I'm serious.

This is the most glaring reason we have to fight so hard to maintain rule of law. I too want to have the bastard drawn and quartered before breakfast yesterday.

Don't everyone hate me at once, spread it out and take your time
but
it doesn't matter that we have witnesses, videos, a confession written in blood on sheepskin, Roof is innocent until a court says he is guilty.

That is the American way.

South Carolina does have, and uses, the death penalty. Let the law work. You may get your wish for his execution, but it won't be soon.


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anglagard
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Message 573 of 578 (760240)
06-19-2015 1:27 AM
Reply to: Message 567 by Faith
06-18-2015 6:28 PM


Jihadi Faith
Faith writes:

They caught the kid who killed the nine people in the church in Charleston. So let's find out what possessed him and then execute him by firing squad at dawn. I'm serious. But I expect the usual misquided handwringing about executing a murderer

If you desire revenge, don't just off the dude at dawn the next day. Let him rot on with his kindred spirits at that Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado.

From the wiki ADX Florence

quote:
The facility is best known for housing inmates who have been deemed too dangerous, too high-profile or too great a national security risk for even a maximum-security prison. These include the leaders of violent gangs who had continued to issue orders to their members from lower security facilities, including Larry Hoover of the Gangster Disciples, and Barry Mills and Tyler Bingham of the Aryan Brotherhood. ADX also houses foreign terrorists, including Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person convicted in civilian court of the September 11 attacks; Faisal Shahzad, the perpetrator of the 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt;[12] and Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; as well as domestic terrorists, including serial bombers Ted Kaczynski and Eric Rudolph. Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, was housed at ADX before he was sentenced to death in 1997 and transferred to the United States Penitentiary, Terre Haute, which houses federal death row inmates. McVeigh's co-conspirator, Terry Nichols, is serving 161 life sentences at ADX. Robert Hanssen, the former FBI agent who betrayed several spies to the Soviet Union and Russia, is serving 15 life sentences at ADX for his crimes. The prison also houses inmates who are a high escape risk, including Richard McNair, who escaped from a county jail and two other prisons before being sent to ADX. Additionally, former Bonanno crime-family boss Vincent Basciano is currently serving time in ADX Florence.[13]

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A former ADX warden described the place as "a cleaner version of Hell".[22] As of 2007, there have been hundreds of "involuntary feedings" and four suicides.

That isn't enough revenge to satisfy your bloodlust?

It appears to me that anyone devoted to revenge would be far happier torturing the guilty for the remainder of their lives than allowing them to become martyrs to the cause, whether it be international terrorism in the case of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, or domestic racism in the case of Dylann Storm Roof.

I have seen the ADX Supermax facility from the outside (the only way to see it IMHO) and it scares me more than any horror movie ever could. This is after hanging around Pueblo for a few days, a city which my daughter commenting on the architecture said "looks like Eastern Europe under the Soviets."

However, your emotional desire for vengeance over my simple desire for removal from civilized society is not what disturbs me the most about your post. It is instead your self-professed values.

Faith writes:

They caught the kid who killed the nine people in the church in Charleston. So let's find out what possessed him and then execute him by firing squad at dawn. I'm serious.

Evidently you do not agree with those rather ancient judicial customs favored by Western democracies, such as trial by jury and presumption of innocence.

Also, and this is even more damning, as succinctly pointed out by Ringo:

Ringo writes:

look it up in the Bible. Jesus was clear that only those without sin - i.e. nobody - were fit to administer the death penalty. And He said so to the equivalent of the state authority.

So you disagree with both the best practices of Western jurisprudence and the very teachings of Jesus Christ.

Don;t worry, there are many in this world who agree with you.

One group in particular stands out, namely Daesh aka ISIS, aka ISIL. Not only do they reject Western concepts of justice as you do, they also reject Mohammed's teachings against the killing of non-combatants just as you reject Jesus's teachings against capital punishment.

I understand Daesh is not only recruiting, but Jihadi John would also like another wife.

Indeed it would truly be a marriage of kindred spirits, if not made in heaven, certainly one in hypocrisy.

Edited by anglagard, : extraneous word and a few mispellings


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Faith
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Message 574 of 578 (760243)
06-19-2015 3:42 AM


No, Not About Revenge, but Justice
I didn't mean to skip the due process, that's what I meant by finding out what was going on in his head, not the clearest way of saying that. Do all the legal things right of course. And I should have added, that before he's executed make sure he hears the gospel loud and clear. I don't wish even a murderer an eternity in Hell.

No, this isn't about revenge at all, this is what a society should do with a murderer. He takes a life, his life is to be taken, for the health of society. I'm not looking for any kind of revenge.

This killing hurts, is terribly sad in so many ways, but no, revenge is not the right response.

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Faith
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Message 575 of 578 (760247)
06-19-2015 3:54 AM


No, Not About Revenge, But Justice
My post was a response to the handwringers who oppose the death penalty. That's where I thought this discussion would go. I'm just horribly sad about the incident, it's heartbreaking, but I don't have any feelings of revenge, I would just hate it if such a crime weren't punished by death because of all the candle-vigil-save-a-murderer crowd.

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Faith
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Message 576 of 578 (760248)
06-19-2015 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by anglagard
06-19-2015 1:27 AM


The Death Penalty for Murder is Justice
just as you reject Jesus's teachings against capital punishment.

I know there is no way to disabuse someone of this idea once it's been firmly entrenched, but it absolutely is not true that Jesus taught against capital punishment. Jesus did not teach the State what to do at all, He taught individuals how to respond to injustices against ourselves, but the State is treated as the world's enforcer of justice insofar as it doesn't violate God's law. God prescribed death for murderers all the way back in Noah's time, as the just and right response and Jesus said nothing to alter that judgment.

ABE: Since I did such a bad job of conveying what I meant I went back and added some corrections to that Message 567

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Message 577 of 578 (760251)
06-19-2015 5:21 AM


Totally off-topic for quite a while - Going to summation mode
Now.

Adminnemooseus


Or something like that©.

    
Jon
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Message 578 of 578 (760259)
06-19-2015 8:42 AM


Summation
The question was: Are you Racist? Homophobic? etc.

My answer is: No.


Love your enemies!

  
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