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MrHambre
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Message 166 of 1639 (760257)
06-19-2015 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by mikechell
06-18-2015 6:00 PM


Re: accusations and reality
mikechell writes:
This world is way too volatile to cut military spending. We are already too weak.
By the way, it wasn't some bleeding-heart organization or welfare agency that came up $2.3 trillion short in a 2001 audit, it was the Pentagon. Rumsfeld announced the shortfall the day before 9/11, and naturally the news got pushed below the fold shortly thereafter.
I assume social spending doesn't give your macho insecurity the boost that military spending does because welfare bucks are supporting the very people you hate and mistrust instead of defending you from them. But I just wanted to point out that if you want to see the stupidest, fattest welfare mama on Earth, just take a look at the Pentagon.
Edited by MrHambre, : Added link to DOD website.

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jar
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Message 167 of 1639 (760260)
06-19-2015 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by mikechell
06-18-2015 11:50 PM


Re: accusations and reality
Bull____ ...Payroll, SS, Unemployment and income all are paid to those who have a social security number ... which "undocumented workers" don't have. They get paid "under the table" and then use WIC to buy food, because bleeding hearts have made it possible for them to get WIC without a SS number.
They pay sales taxes when they buy something they can't get with WIC, but those don't go towards any of the payroll taxes.
If they are working and getting paid under the table without paying payroll, social security and income taxes then the employer is a criminal. And not just a criminal but one with no morality at all.
WIC really covers almost nothing and in a First or Second World nation would be considered pitiful. But we are not in a First or Second World nation but rather the USofA.
Before you start throwing around nonsense labels like "Bleeding Heart Liberal" you might want to know I have been a conservative since Ike's second run just not a fan of the current crop of right wing fascists that claim to be conservatives but would not make a pimple on a true Conservatives ass.

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jar
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Message 168 of 1639 (760261)
06-19-2015 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by MrHambre
06-19-2015 8:31 AM


Re: accusations and reality
But I just wanted to point out that if you want to see the stupidest, fattest welfare mama on Earth, just take a look at the Pentagon.
The US Health Care conjob may well give the Pentagon a run for the title.
The idea that education and healthcare should be "for profit" enterprises may be the biggest joke out there.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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mikechell
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Message 169 of 1639 (760287)
06-19-2015 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by jar
06-19-2015 8:52 AM


Re: accusations and reality
Before you start throwing around nonsense labels like "Bleeding Heart Liberal"
I never said "bleeding heart liberal". I just said "bleeding heart". Too many politically correct pussies in both parties.
Healthy people taking government handouts are lazy thieves.
Undocumented workers ... and those who employ them ... are thieves.
Bleeding heart causes that send money to "help" overseas Countries, when our own has so many problems ... are thieves.
House and Senate politicians who tack on boondoggle riders to legitimate bills ... are thieves.
I will agree, the government spends too much money on too many pointless, useless or just plain wasteful programs. We will never agree on which ones are needed, but we agree that there's too much spending.
After 7 years with the worst president in history ... you can't keep blaming previous administrations.

evidence over faith ... observation over theory

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Jon
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Message 170 of 1639 (760290)
06-19-2015 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Re: accusations and reality
Why don't you bring your arguments to anglagard's Economics 101 - Evidence Based Decision Making thread?

Love your enemies!

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ramoss
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Message 171 of 1639 (760294)
06-19-2015 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by mikechell
06-18-2015 2:32 PM


Re: Government is not a business and you can't run it like one
yes, there is a web site out there than makes all sorts of claims.
It makes a claim about that debt. It has a bunch of counters that have been loaded up iwth a start number, and just let go, and has been going on for the last 10 years.
Can you show that those number, are.. well accurate?

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ramoss
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Message 172 of 1639 (760295)
06-19-2015 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by caffeine
06-18-2015 3:42 PM


Re: Government is not a business and you can't run it like one
You do know that the budget in 2009 was decided on in the year 2008, which makes it a bush budget. The one that will be decided on in for 2017 will be an Obama budget.
Another thing that is not discussed is that under Obama, the cost of the war in Afganistan in Iraq was accounted for, while under Bush, it was 'off the books', funded by borrowing from the Social security fund (to a total of 1.3 trillion , which has not been repaid).

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jar
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Message 173 of 1639 (760299)
06-19-2015 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Re: accusations and reality
"Bleeding heart" these days seems to mean someone with a conscience so not much of an indictment.
Spending money to improve the quality of life whether here or abroad often simply makes sense. Had the US invested just one tenth of what we wasted in the utterly stupid Afghan and Iraqi invasions we might well have avoided creating yet more terrorists.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Coragyps
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Message 174 of 1639 (760303)
06-19-2015 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Re: accusations and reality
Undocumented workers are a big reason why milk isn't $5.50 a gallon.....

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Tanypteryx
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Message 175 of 1639 (760305)
06-19-2015 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Re: accusations and reality
mikechell writes:
After 7 years with the worst president in history ... you can't keep blaming previous administrations.
You do realize that it was Bush/Cheney who fucked the world economy and stole $4TRILLION from the American people in 2 wars....right?
And then you have the balls to call Obama the worst president?
You're the conspiracy freak, right?

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anglagard
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Message 176 of 1639 (760306)
06-19-2015 10:41 PM


Jeb Bush is Even Worse Than His Stupid Brother
Commenting on the nine African Americans killed by a known racist who proudly wore both the apartheid flags of South Africa and Rhodesia Jeb Bush said:
quote:
Jeb Bush, who emphasized his conservative bona fides at the conference, was cautious when asked whether he thought the shooting was racially motivated.
Looks like it to me it was, but we’ll find out all the information, Bush said Friday at the conference during a hallway interview, according to spokesman Tim Miller . It’s clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African American. You can judge what it is.
source
This is after Dylann Roof said while murdering the victims:
quote:
You are raping our women and taking over the country.
Jeb Bush is either mentally slow or dishonest or most likely both.
Contrast this with Bernie Sander's immediate response:
quote:
The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism.
Meanwhile all other Republican candidates except for Ben Carson (wonder why?) can't even call this what it is - domestic terrorism incited by racism.
To paraphrase one of the great intellectual giants of the Republican Party, Sarah Palin:
So how's that minority outreach workin' out for ya?
Edited by anglagard, : extraneous 'the'

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

  
anglagard
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Message 177 of 1639 (760307)
06-19-2015 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Ahem....History
mikechell writes:
After 7 years with the worst president in history ... you can't keep blaming previous administrations.
I can blame a few previous administrations for the greatest disaster in the history of the USA, namely the Civil War (you know that little incident that cost more lives than any other war in US history). Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan left a mess Lincoln had to solve. IMHO they were definitely contenders for the worst president.
Similarly, after inheriting a budget surplus from Clinton, Bush the lesser squandered it on tax cuts for his rich buddies at the expense of everyone else. To add insult to injury he also dramatically increased the deficit in two wars, one simply based on his 'daddy issues' and used to further raping the treasury by his buddies.
Like Lincoln, Obama was left to clean up a mess left by his predecessors. The mess is not as damaging as the one Lincoln inherited therefore Obama will not be considered the greatest president, just among the better presidents.
Compare this to Pierce, Buchanan and little Bush. Pierce and Buchanan are considered bad because they did nothing in the face of great crisis. Bush inherited a balanced budget, a secure and prosperous nation, and good will from even the likes of Russia. Bush did something about that by destroying all three.
Verdict - worst president ever - tie between Buchanan and Bush the Terrible.
Also, recently your posts are off-topic for this thread and even my response to this post is marginal at best. I have created a thread, Economics 101 - Evidence Based Decision Making which would be more appropriate for much of the content of your recent posts.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Dr Adequate
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Message 178 of 1639 (760310)
06-20-2015 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Re: accusations and reality
After 7 years with the worst president in history ...
Before we start arguing over whether mike is nuts or just completely ignorant of history, let's remember that most conservatives are both.
you can't keep blaming previous administrations.
There's not actually a statute of limitations on how long you can go on blaming people for stuff they did. For example, if an arsonist sets a fire, there's no point at which you have to start blaming this on the fireman who's putting it out.

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Message 179 of 1639 (760378)
06-20-2015 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by mikechell
06-18-2015 2:32 PM


Re: Government is not a business and you can't run it like one
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Message 180 of 1639 (760407)
06-21-2015 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by mikechell
06-19-2015 2:30 PM


Re: accusations and reality
mikechell writes:
After 7 years with the worst president in history ...
Your credibility just went to zero.

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