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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Our history isn't anything like the history of other nations. It's ridiculous to make a comparison.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Our history isn't anything like the history of other nations. It's ridiculous to make a comparison. If there's a reason why X is different from Y, one can still compare X and Y. There are undoubtedly causes why there are more mass shootings in America, but that doesn't make it "ridiculous" to note that there are, in fact, more mass shootings in America. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sophistry. Yes it is ridiculous because the implication is that we should be like other nations.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Is the frequency of these incidents just something the U.S. Needs to accept in a way that other developed nations refuse to then - In your view?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Sophistry. Yes it is ridiculous because the implication is that we should be like other nations. Faith, when it comes to how many massacres we have, DAMN RIGHT WE SHOULD BE LIKE OTHER NATIONS. Specifically, we should be like the ones that manage to have fewer massacres, i.e. all the rest of the First World.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
ISLA VISTA, CAIn the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them, said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted. At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as helpless.
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NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths
Cotton, listed as a national NRA board member on the gun lobby's website, made the comments in an online chat room he administers called texaschlforum.com, a discussion board devoted to gun rights and firearms issues. "NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths"
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Our problems are our problems. Our solutions will have to be our solutions. We are not Europe.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Our problems are our problems. Our solutions will have to be our solutions. And what are our solutions? Oh, right, we don't have any. We have a lot of massacres instead. So maybe we could learn something from people who do have solutions and don't have massacres.
We are not Europe. Right. In Europe they have fewer massacres. Really, American Exceptionalism seems to be just a form of learned helplessness. Our country, we are told, is special. It's so special that we can't prevent gun massacres, we can't have proper healthcare, our military needs to torture people, our police officers need to kill hundreds of people a year, we can't reduce our carbon footprint ... hooray, we're special! Specifically, we're neck-deep in shit and can't get out. Hooray! Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1414 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
And what are our solutions? Oh, right, we don't have any.
Well, I admit the ones I have are likely to seem impractical: Give us your guns, and stop being such hateful, paranoid assholes. What, that's not policy-ready? But we ignore the power of American gun fetishism at our own risk. Ours is a culture that has been fighting the Civil War for over a century. Cold War triumphalism soothes our guilt over the way we denigrate left-wing politics as "bleeding heart liberalism." Our lack of empathy has long since become indistinguishable from pathology. So exactly how surprised are we supposed to pretend to be when our call for universal gun control is met with outrage?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right. In Europe they have fewer massacres. Yes, the Muslim population hasn't quite reached critical mass yet.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Obama is just an America-basher.
Are we really the mass killing capital of the world? Who's "helpless?" You want my opinion, Front Page Mag has it:
Why do black lives only seem to matter when white people take them? Why does the president of the United States think it’s proper to take a horrible racial tragedy in Charleston South Carolina as an excuse to bash America as the violence capital of the advanced world, and a prop for Democrats’ lust for gun control legislation in a state that already has it? Last year 82 people were shot over the Fourth of July weekend in Chicago. 16 of them died. The victims and the shooters were black. Now two 15-year-olds have already been shot in a single Chicago neighborhood in two days. These are tragedies every bit as terrible as what took place in a church in Charleston, but the mass shootings of black people doesn’t attract much national attention when white people aren’t involved. Chicago’s bloody weekends show us that the politicians and reporters haven’t turned their attention to Charleston because they care about dead black people. They are there for the psychotic killer, Dylann Storm Roof, not for his victims. They are there for a Southern state with a Republican governor who can be safely blamed the way that their Mayor of Chicago can’t. They are there to use the voiceless dead as convenient props in their campaign for gun control — in a state that already has some of the toughest gun control laws in the South. They don’t care about black people. They care about their political agendas. Obama made that clear when he blamed Republicans for the shootings in his statement. The formatting of the statement on the White House website with its paragraphs about healing and the church in small print and the call for gun control and accusations of racism set out in giant bold type show with stark clarity what the president’s priorities are. ...Obama and Hillary insist that the country needs gun control, but what it really needs is a coming together of its ordinary citizens. It isn’t just Charleston that needs a new unity. It’s Democratic cities Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit — all centers of violence, all zones where strict gun laws rule that need it as well. The world’s worst mass shootings have happened in other advanced societies — not America as Obama claims. They happen in countries like Norway, a social democracy, France, a country ruled by anti-gun socialists and South Korea. Making guns hard to get does not stop a determined killer. It prevents his victims from stopping the rampage. Dylaan Roof stopped to reload his gun 5 times in the Charleston AME Church. If only one of the bible study members had possessed a firearm, most of the victims would still be alive. The demonization of firearms takes place in societies that let go of personal responsibility. It leaves even law enforcement helpless down to the disarmed Paris police officer cringing before the heavily armed Charlie Hebdo Jihadists and the fumbling Norwegian police who let Breivik kill 69 people in one shooting before he was stopped. Despite Obama’s slander of the country of which he is the putative president, the difference between America and the rest of the world is not that they have mass shootings and we don’t. Mass shootings have taken place in European countries with very tough gun laws. The difference is that when two terrorists with assault rifles dressed in body armor came for the Mohammed cartoonists in Texas, they were stopped by a middle-aged man with a handgun. Or when a jihadist beheaded a woman in Oklahoma and was slicing off the head of another, he was stopped by an individual who appeared with a rifle and took the law into his own hands. America is a country where it is easier to buy a gun and where it is easier to stop an armed gunman. The victims in the church followed the law in South Carolina and didn’t bring their guns into the church. The gunman didn’t follow the law and killed them.... Liberals seem to love to find fault with America. Just bought the propaganda or what? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1414 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
the mass shootings of black people doesn’t attract much national attention when white people aren’t involved.
Nothing demonstrates less human concern than invoking dead black people just to take a potshot at liberal guilt. The reason things will never change for African-Americans in the USA isn't that there's too many people like the psycho shooter in Charleston. It's that there are too many like our right-wing friends here, who display a pathological indifference to the problems faced by the black community. Every time someone points out systemic inequities or conditions that disadvantage African-Americans, the voice gets drowned out by a tidal wave of white resentment. It remains to be seen whether white folks in the USA fear race war more than they fear taking responsibility for the prevailing unfairness of social conditions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh right, the liberal explanation of violence (minority violence anyway, if it's white violence it's racist or some such) and every other social ill: poverty, oppression, social inequities etc. Marx's analysis is still taken seriously. I guess that was inevitable.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Your hate is disgusting. How many Islamic people have been involved in mass shooting in the U.S.? What is the predominate religion of those shooters? What is the relative Islamic population in Europe compared to the U.S.? Why do you bother climbing out from under that rock?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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