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edge Member (Idle past 1959 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Would someone be so kind as to remind this YEC of what exactly makes it eas6y to tell the strata were progressively deposited over long long periods of time?
It all started with Hutton when he noticed that the soil in his fields was slowly creeping toward the stream and then carried away. He wondered why there was still soil in his fields after hundreds of years. That's when he realized that there are slow processes and time has a very long dimension. Basically, the things we see going on very slowly today produce features that we see exactly duplicated in the geological record, top to bottom. Looking at how long it takes to create some deposits, very long ages are understood. Beyond that, yes, absolute ages derived from various clocks, as Dr. A has mentioned, tell us the actual amounts of time involved.
Is it the knife-edge straight tight contacts we see in so many places perhaps?
No, that just indicate a sudden change of depositional environments.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2626 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
I am displaying here a rather low resolution map of Tennessee showing the geologic column boundaries.
Does anyone know of a source for such maps (hopefully higher resolution) for the US (state by state is fine) I've searched and not found what I'm looking for. Appreciated. JB
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JonF Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Is it the knife-edge straight tight contacts we see in so many places perhaps? No, that just indicate a sudden change of depositional environments.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This one is pretty good of Tennessee, it zooms to a huge size; but haven't found other states yet.
http://tennesseefossils.com/...es/TennGeoMap%20-%20Large.jpg Ya know what's really interesting about the strata is how no matter what map or diagram you are looking at you see how, what with the principle of superposition and all, they all stack up so neatly one on top of another, flat as a pancake for the most part, and ONLY AFTER THE WHOLE STACK WAS IN PLACE, from Precambrian to quaternary, do we then see EROSION of the stack. In Tennessee the layers get exposed by erosion showing the order of deposition from east to west. It's very clear in the Grand Canyon, but it's clear on most maps. The point is it all got laid down one after another and ONLY when they were ALL there do we see erosion exposing lower layers. The whole geo column got laid down and THEN IT STOPPED. No more geo column where it always was. Not what hundreds of millions of years would be expected to produce. Oh, sorry, of course it's "continuing" in the oceans, ha ha. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Knife-edge-straight-flat contact lines could not be formed except VERY suddenly, like on the timing of a single catastrophic event, not a scenario of hundreds of millions of years. So, what, the history of the earth is made up of a series of suddenly deposited sediments followed by millions of years (during which such flatness is expected to endure?) until the next suddenly deposited sediment, and for some reason this awfully strange predictable sequence of things happened to keep occurring up through miles of layers over hundreds of millions of years? Geology believes some pretty weird stuff. They even describe it with a straight face.
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ThinAirDesigns Member (Idle past 2626 days) Posts: 564 Joined: |
Faith writes: ...ONLY AFTER THE WHOLE STACK WAS IN PLACE, from Precambrian to quaternary, do we then see EROSION of the stack. Of course if that were true, there wouldn't be unconformities throughout the stack. I'm always amazed at how you make statements so disconnected from reality and seem to actually believe they are true. Thanks for the image -- that is exactly what I'm looking for and now I have one for Tennessee. JB Edited by ThinAirDesigns, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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ONLY AFTER THE WHOLE STACK WAS IN PLACE, from Precambrian to quaternary, do we then see EROSION of the stack
Except for the many places we see erosion inside the stack, despite your many unevidenced assertions to the contrary..
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
None of the internal erosion or unconformities are anywhere near the scale of things hundreds of millions of years should be expected to produce. But the main thing about my observation is that the pattern of erosion that is so visible on the map of Tennessee CLEARLY had to have occurred after all the strata were in place, certainly no long time as geological time is reckoned. If anything like that had occurred during the deposition of the strata you'd have all sorts of LARGE gaps filled in by sediments from above all over the place. There is nothing like that in the geo column.
THE EVIDENCE shows the relatively rapid deposition of the entire geologic column, with occasional gaps and missing strata such as one would expect from deposition by water, but otherwise overwhelmingly consistently horizontal, flat, stacked like pancakes across huge areas of geography, with remarkably straight sharp contacts visible in a majority of places, all of it in place and only then massively eroded, tectonically buckled etc. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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46&2 Junior Member (Idle past 3406 days) Posts: 24 From: Kailua-Kona Joined: |
ONLY AFTER THE WHOLE STACK WAS IN PLACE Except this is a demonstrably false statement.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny, I just demonstrated that you are wrong.
Here's another demonstration in case you missed it:
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46&2 Junior Member (Idle past 3406 days) Posts: 24 From: Kailua-Kona Joined: |
None of the internal erosion or unconformities are anywhere near the scale of things hundreds of millions of years should be expected to produce. This is a tacit admission that you know your statement was false. Regardless of what you think about the required time to produce such erosion, you know that it exists, and ANY such erosion would be difficult for the flood hypothesis to explain.
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
National Geologic Map Database
You are looking for 1X2 degree geologic quads (1"=4 miles) or 7.5 minute quads (1"=2000'). They do not exist for all of the US. I linked you to a gov't site........have fun!
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46&2 Junior Member (Idle past 3406 days) Posts: 24 From: Kailua-Kona Joined: |
No. You didn't. Certainly not with simply a MAP.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know denial serves well your touching belief in the false claims of Geology but flat assertion isn't really acceptable argument. The only argument possible is what's been given, the supposed internal erosion and unconformities, which are pathetically inadequate answers.
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46&2 Junior Member (Idle past 3406 days) Posts: 24 From: Kailua-Kona Joined: |
The only argument possible is what's been given, the supposed internal erosion and unconformities, which are pathetically inadequate answers. They are perfectly adequate if you can't explain them. Your defense is that it couldn't have taken millions of years...yet, you offer no explanation for them being there AT ALL. How did ANY internal erosion take place if the entire stack was laid down in the flood? Edited by 46&2, : No reason given.
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