Landmark gay marriage trial starts today in California

Faith, even if the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, it is still none of your business. If you believe it is a sin, don't practice it.But whether or not it is a sin has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not gays should be allowed to get married.That too is simply none of your damn business.

Utter bullshit Faith and yet another example of misrepresentation and your desire for special treatment.You don't have to live under some "social definition", if you don't want to consider gays married then you are free to your little opinion.It is no different than whether or not a previously married person who gets remarried is really married or not or if a Jew and a Christian or Roman Catholic and Protestant are really married.

Just in case you hadn't noticed, humans can make babies without being married.

Bullshit.Did God marry Mary?

In the US you will not be arrested for hate speech unless somehow Biblical Christians gain the power they used to have.

They were not just allowed to continue polygamy, according to the Bible God even commanded it.When Hagar left Abe acauseof Sara got in her face and dissed her, God stopped her and commanded she return to Abe.

You really haven't read the Bible have you?Genesis 16:

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6 Your slave is in your hands, Abram said. Do with her whatever you think best. Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.

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7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?

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I’m running away from my mistress Sarai, she answered.

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9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, Go back to your mistress and submit to her. 10 The angel added, I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.

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11 The angel of the Lord also said to her:

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You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,[a]
for the Lord has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward\[b\] all his brothers.

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13 She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: You are the God who sees me, for she said, I have now seen[c] the One who sees me. 14 That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi[d]; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.

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15 So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne. 16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore him Ishmael.

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And traditional marriage, even in the Bible, was a secular business contract.Edited by jar, : fix quote box

Not only was Christian Law NOT the law of the US, it was in fact unconstitutional to have "Christian Law" in the US.The US has NEVER been a "Christian Nation", thank God.

But again, she was sent back to be one of Abe's three wives.God blessed Abe even though he was a polygamist.That was also true for most of the Patriarch and for other characters like King David.I misrepresented nothing.Hagar left.God sent her back.It really is that simple.Further, when a man bought a wife, whether it was the first wife or the thousandth wife, she left her family and went with him, just like the goats he bought, the camels he bought, the cattle he bought. They became one flesh. And the one flesh did not refer to procreation or having kids. Abe and Sara were husband and wife even though as you say, she was infertile.God didn't seem to have any problem with polygamy.

How is Hagar not having more children (something we don't know anyway) a sign she was not one of Abe's wives? So once again you try to sell an evil God who punishes others for sins they did not commit.Got it.And Hagar did go back to Abe. Sara was Abe's property. Sorry but that is nothing but nonsense. One flesh is expressed in children even if there are no children? Bullshit.And you still have not shown a single example of God objecting to polygamy or suggesting monogamy or even objecting to screwing out of marriage.

So Sara who was infertile and Hagar were both Abe's wives.And as to wives being property I hope you don't want to claim that that is not how the Bible describes them or treats them?And you still have not shown a single example of God objecting to polygamy.And thank God we are moving towards Christian Gay Marriage and further and further away from Christian Law.

I think it is certainly sufficient considering that no where in the Bible have I found God objecting to polygamy, and that is the point.It is irrelevant to the topic though. God's views on marriage are totally irrelevant to the issue of same sex marriage in the US.

Only the criminals Faith. But don't criminals belong in jail?

As long as it makes you happy all is right with the world.But don't pretend it is a matter of being a Christian because it it is not. That is simply a cheap trick to try to justify bigotry and hate.It is not Christians being sanctioned but bigoted criminals.

Not at all Faith, it is a matter of how people behave. When people break the laws they become criminals. When people behave in a bigoted manner they are rightly identified as bigots.It is not a matter of naming or belief or speech but rather a matter of the individual's behavior.