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jar
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Message 16 of 60 (761245)
06-29-2015 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Greatest I am
06-29-2015 7:52 PM


Re: Can Education Help Salvation?
GIA writes:
Access to the spiritual world, which most get though the opening of our third eye, must thus come from the physical world that we see as the best of all possible worlds.
As I said, you seem clueless. What the hell does any of that mean? Which ophthalmologist treats third eyes?
Crap like that may work at the carny or from the back of a medicine truck but it is still just bullshit and word salad.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 17 of 60 (761283)
06-30-2015 12:12 PM
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06-29-2015 7:55 PM


Greatest I am writes:
I hate all unjustified hate.
That sound like a rationalization for "justifying" hate. One kind of hate is justified and another is not. Hateful people only disagree on where to draw the line.

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Message 18 of 60 (761333)
06-30-2015 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by jar
06-29-2015 8:24 PM


jar
God have a right to command to those who believe in them and idol worship them.
And Christianity and Islam are homophobic and misogynous as they have institutionalized both of those issues within their text.
If all you have is hair splitting and trying to separate Christians from Christianity and Muslims from Islam then ------.
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 60 (761335)
06-30-2015 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by jar
06-29-2015 8:29 PM


Re: Can Education Help Salvation?

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Message 20 of 60 (761337)
06-30-2015 3:21 PM
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06-30-2015 12:12 PM


ringo
"That sound like a rationalization for "justifying" hate."
I agree.
Are you saying that hate has no justified place in our thinking?
Or is it justified in some cases and what justifies it better than what I put?
Regards
DL

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jar
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Message 21 of 60 (761362)
06-30-2015 4:53 PM
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06-30-2015 3:15 PM


GIA writes:
God have a right to command to those who believe in them and idol worship them.
And Christianity and Islam are homophobic and misogynous as they have institutionalized both of those issues within their text.
If all you have is hair splitting and trying to separate Christians from Christianity and Muslims from Islam then ------.
Regards
DL
I'm sorry but again you simply post sophomoric nonsense and utter falsehoods. I have already proved that Christianity is neither homophobic or misogynous based on behavior, not some stories written thousands of years ago.
So let's see if we can actually deal with reality instead of fantasy.
I am a Christian. The chapter of Club Christian to which I belong does not discriminate based on race, sex or sexual orientation. It has ordained women, men, white, black, gay and straight.
You have said Christianity is homophobic and misogynous. I refuted that position. For you to continue to make the assertion that Christianity is homophobic and misogynous is simply dishonest.
Now if you would like to change your position to say that some Christian chapters can be and are homophobic and misogynous then I would agree with you, however the issue is not Christianity or Islam but rather education.
When you are prepared to learn more about the issues of education in the US please let me know and I will repeat for you what I have posted in the past.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Phat
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Message 22 of 60 (761380)
06-30-2015 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Greatest I am
06-29-2015 7:20 PM


Re: My God demands we stay on topic.
When you can name your God, I am, and mean yourself, you will begin to know the only God you will ever find.
I totally disagree with this. Anyone who thinks they are god and connect it in any way with spirituality are oppressed by Satan at best and possessed at worst. Or delusional.
Not to say that mainstream Christianity sounds any brighter. Personally I think you would be better off being an atheist, however.

God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 23 of 60 (761462)
07-01-2015 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by jar
06-30-2015 4:53 PM


jar
I am not even aware of your little cult and my remarks are towards the mainstream.
Your little idol worshiping cult might be as you describe. If so, good for you.
How old is your cult and for how long have you allowed practicing gays to preach?
Does whatever bible you use have this Gen 3;16 and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 24 of 60 (761465)
07-01-2015 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Phat
06-30-2015 10:05 PM


Re: My God demands we stay on topic.
Phat
You are ignoring the Gnostic Christian definition of God.
God is you and your higher mind. Not some guy in the sky.
Man has always been the only God here.
Who else but humans have ever shown the will of God?
Certainly not some absentee sky God.
Gnostic Christians, like Jews, are basically quite close to being atheists while recognizing that we have a higher potential in our higher minds.
That is why Jewish Rabbis have always been able to overrule the God of their written tradition. They recognize that man is the highest form of life possible on earth or in the sky.
Regards
DL

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Message 25 of 60 (761467)
07-01-2015 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Greatest I am
07-01-2015 4:01 PM


Re: My God demands we stay on topic.
God is you and your higher mind. Not some guy in the sky.
Man has always been the only God here.
Who else but humans have ever shown the will of God?
Certainly not some absentee sky God.
Gnostic Christians, like Jews, are basically quite close to being atheists while recognizing that we have a higher potential in our higher minds.
Why do you even call yourself "Christian"?

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Message 26 of 60 (761486)
07-01-2015 6:33 PM
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07-01-2015 4:13 PM


Re: My God demands we stay on topic.
Cat Sci
There are Gnostic thinkers for every belief system.
I happen to live in a Christian country and thus Christianity is the tradition that I am duty bound to help if I can.
I do so by showing the parts of their theology that are immoral.
I was also born into a R C family and owe my first responsibility to correct foolish thinking to them.
I fell quite strongly about this as I owe the church for helping me out quite a bit when younger.
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 27 of 60 (761515)
07-02-2015 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Greatest I am
07-01-2015 6:33 PM


Re: My God demands we stay on topic.
There are Gnostic thinkers for every belief system.
Are they all arrogant?
I happen to live in a Christian country
Which country?
and thus Christianity is the tradition that I am duty bound to help if I can.
So you only call yourself Christian because you're from a Christian country?
I was also born into a R C family and owe my first responsibility to correct foolish thinking to them.
I fell quite strongly about this as I owe the church for helping me out quite a bit when younger.
So, Christian in name only? A "cultural christian", if you will?

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jar
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Message 28 of 60 (761516)
07-02-2015 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Greatest I am
07-01-2015 3:54 PM


GIA writes:
I am not even aware of your little cult and my remarks are towards the mainstream.
Good. Admitting your ignorance is a first step towards learning.
The little cult I belong to is called the Episcopal Church USA (also known as Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States of America) was founded in 1789 and is a part of the Anglican Communion that also includes the Church of England. In the US there are about 2,000,000 members.
GIA writes:
How old is your cult and for how long have you allowed practicing gays to preach?
Well, it seems very likely that King James I & VI (of the Authorized King James Bible fame) was gay.
But for our chapter of the Anglican Communion, we ordained our first openly gay Priest (a lesbian named Ellen Barrett by the way) in 1977 which was just three years after the first women were ordained Priests in the Episcopal Church.
Progress has been slow of course and those who hold other positions are still tolerated but just a few days ago on 29 June 2015, at the 78th General Convention of the Episcopal Church, a resolution removing the definition of marriage as between one man and one woman was passed by the House of Bishops, 129-26 with 5 abstaining.
GIA writes:
Does whatever bible you use have this Gen 3;16 and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Of course. The Western Canon has been set for a long time.
But what does that have to do with anything? It also has the two mutually exclusive creation tales and the two mutually exclusive flood myths and lots of other stuff.
But many things found in Bible stories just tell us how a people of a particular culture, period and mythos viewed their world.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 29 of 60 (761519)
07-02-2015 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Greatest I am
06-30-2015 3:21 PM


Greatest I am writes:
Are you saying that hate has no justified place in our thinking?
I think we have an instinct to hate, just like a snake has an instinct to bite. Our thinking should override our instincts in many cases. "Justification" is just a retroactive attempt to rationalize our basest instincts as "right".
Edited by ringo, : Removed excess word "hate".

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Message 30 of 60 (761538)
07-02-2015 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by New Cat's Eye
07-02-2015 9:27 AM


Re: My God demands we stay on topic.
Cat Sci
I do not call myself a Christian. I call myself a Gnostic Christian and yes, all Gnostics of all religions are arrogant as that is a part of us doing our duty in bringing the majority to our way of thinking.
Goats are always the black sheep, so to speak and must arrogantly stand out from the immoral sheeple.
Our duty is to stir the pot so that immoral policies can fall out of it.
If we were not arrogant, we would be less prone to call the Christian prick of a God a prick of a God and a vile demiurge.
Regards
DL

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