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Author | Topic: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Who does? Your topic title seems to be moot.
I do not torture babies.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
You like that word.
RegardsDL
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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I'd torture a baby as a justification for stopping you from posting inane OPs.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
What word? You like that word. Really, you're not making any sense. You use an example of "torture" that doesn't contain any torture. Then you don't even make an attempt to back up your claim. Try to think before you post.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
The LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. 12.15When God made the baby sick, David pleaded with God to stop tormenting him. But God wouldn't listen. David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. 12.16Finally, after the baby suffered for seven days, God killed him. On the seventh day, that the child died. 12.18After the baby died, David washed, got dressed, had a nice meal, and worshiped the God who killed his son. David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he ... did eat. 12.20 Was what killed the baby not torture? If not, what would you call its 6 days of ------------ Please fill in that blank. I like to learn new words. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
No. There's nothing said about the baby suffering.
Finally, after the baby suffered for seven days, God killed him. Greatest I am writes:
No.
Was what killed the baby not torture? Greatest I am writes:
I'd call it what the Bible calls it - sickness.
If not, what would you call its 6 days of ------------ Greatest I am writes:
You should learn what torture means before you move on.
I like to learn new words.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
"I'd call it what the Bible calls it - sickness." So to you, if I impose a sickness into a child for 6 days before I finally allow that sickness to kill it, it is not torture. I do not agree and you begin to shame our country with your idiocy and show of poor morals. Stop it please. RegardsDL
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This Gnosticism causes you to come across as a bit arrogant and all-knowing. Perhaps you and this "God" of yours need to have a talk.
I will admit that organized religion has a lot of problems---but they are in my opinion on an individual level and not in the teachings themselves. I would be more worried teaching everyone that they are their own god. Thats just my opinion and belief, however. God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
Yet what I promote is exactly what Jesus taught. My arrogance has been fuelled by free thinking and the true knowledge that it is better thinking that what the sheep are doing. If religious problem were just at the individual level then it is quite strange that individuals created the Inquisition and not the church. Oh wait. It was the church. I guess you have also failed to see Christianity and Islam promote homophobia and misogyny. RegardsDL
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yet what I promote is exactly what Jesus taught. Perhaps an interesting discussion would be of interest if you attempted to demonstrate this to be the case. I'd certainly find it of more use than your typical discussion flow in which you torture the language of the Old Testament beyond recognition. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
NoNukes
Let me explain using Christian and Jewish myths. This Gnostic Christian’s apology for calling myself God. Adam and Eve became as Gods when they gained a moral sense and no longer had their mind cut off from intelligent thought. As our primordial ancestors, we inherit that same trait even though Christianity wrongly thinks that to be evil and a fall. Retaining dominion over the earth, humans never revoked this inherited trait of a moral sense, --- and the right for man to judge himself. Jesus highlights this when he took the seat of judgement at God’s right hand. When I use terms like I am God, or you are God, I am not speaking of the traditional miracle working God of scriptures and myths. He does not exist as far as we can know as he has never made an appearance to prove his reality. What I am trying to convey to you by saying that you are a God in your own right is to be master of yourself and you need not be a sheep. You can, as Jesus says, pick up your burdens and responsibilities for your sins and follow his mind set. Be a shepherd. Lead by example. What I am trying to convey is that the only God you can ever know is the good you find within yourself. It's your ideal of God and of the Jesus or Christ mind. That is quite different from me or someone thinking they are the traditional creator God, or thinking that they are more than anyone else. Both Jesus and the Christ in these myths are for equality. Not the misogyny that we presently enjoy. That is another topic though. We are to be co-equal with Jesus. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Jesus would explain this concept as one just seeing that they have joined God’s Divine Council by embracing his own Christ mind. Or better said, as this is the more eastern Jesus, we activate our pineal gland and open our third eye. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Divine Council - Wikipedia Let me add this link in case it is new to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=playe... RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
No, of course not. It is not torture. It is not playing the piano. It is not ice cream. It is what it is - sickness.
So to you, if I impose a sickness into a child for 6 days before I finally allow that sickness to kill it, it is not torture. Greatest I am writes:
Using words correctly is not poor morals.
I do not agree and you begin to shame our country with your idiocy and show of poor morals.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 303 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Sickness is a thing that happens inadvertently. When an evil mind decides to inflict it intentionally, it become torture. Water and a rag is not torture but put the two together intentionally over a face and it becomes waterboarding. If you cannot see it then go away as we are done here. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
No it doesn't. Inflicting sickness is not torture. Inflicting suffering is torture but the story says nothing about suffering.
Sickness is a thing that happens inadvertently. When an evil mind decides to inflict it intentionally, it become torture. Greatest I am writes:
When there is suffering, it is torture. A wet rag is not torture unless there is suffering.
Water and a rag is not torture but put the two together intentionally over a face and it becomes waterboarding. Greatest I am writes:
What you're saying is blatantly false. I'm not going anywhere until you stop saying it.
If you cannot see it then go away as we are done here.
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