Is it time to consider compulsory vaccinations?

Check again. 16 were not vaccinated. Check again.

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In a recent article published in Pediatrics, researchers investigated a measles outbreak in Minnesota in 2011. The authors, lead by Pamala Gahr of the Minnesota Department of Health, determined that the outbreak began when an unvaccinated 2-year-old travelled to Kenya, where he contracted the measles virus. Upon returning to the United States, the child developed a fever, cough and vomiting, some of the early signs and symptoms of measles.

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Yes it does. This is not true. In the first place, imaginary adverse effects are not as worrying as real diseases.In the second place, this is not the only measles outbreak that has ever happened. Why are you comparing one event in Minnesota in 2011 against "thousands of [largely fictitious] cases" culled from all over everywhere at any time?In the third place, you're committing a classic statistical error. It's like saying that seatbelts do more harm than good because more are injured by seatbelts than by flying headfirst through their windscreens. But this is only true because lots of people wear seatbelts, which prevent them from flying through their windscreens. You're constructing an argument that a program is a bad idea based on the very data that shows it's successful. (Like the people who complain that we spent all that money on fixing the Y2K bug and then nothing went wrong. We spent the money in order that nothing should go wrong. That was the point.)

I am upset about the others, particularly patents that home school their children but so far we cannot do anything about that issue.

Everyone should have the right to not get vaccinated but not to then go out in public.

The American Medical Association Just Voted to End Personal Vaccination Exemptions – Mother Jones

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The American Medical Association, the country's largest association of physicians, is weighing in on the vaccination debate by supporting the end of personal vaccination exemptions on both the state and federal levels.

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At the group's annual meeting in Chicago on Monday, members voted to mobilize the organization in order to persuade state legislatures to eliminate nonmedical reasons for exemption, such as religion, which are used to dodge crucial immunizations against diseases such as measles and whooping cough.

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I guess parents will just have to come up with a different excuse.

'Cause there's no Him. Just a lot of Them, making up an excuse to justify their intolerance for the Others.

That's not about exemptions for doctors, it's just the AMA's position on exemptions for others. And it's very recent.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I wasn't comparing statistics on measles, measles is a big fat nothing. yes i see I misread that number, sorry, but that incident in Minnesota is ridiculously out of scale to this general problem. First of all the kid got the disease in Kenya, that's the fault of our agencies that should insist on immunizations for travel. Second it's most likely certainly not a case of parental refusal to vaccinate. Third, it's only 21 cases, and it's MEASLES for crying out loud, that recurs from time to time anyway and which millions have survived perfectly well.If I said something about thousands it's about those who have experienced adverse affects from vaccinations, so why are you comparing a small incident of an expectable outbreak of a nonlethal disease with the horrific effects of the vaccinations? I'm going to try to collect evidence on this as I go but I know you are all so biased you won't consider it seriously anyway.I should go back and answer everybody individually I suppose but they can read this post: my family are not Christians, they are atheists, and until this flap they were as liberal as those here. FInally they are understanding that the Democrats LIE. Good for them. Not that the Republicans are any better, though on this issue more of them are against this bill, and there are California Democrats who are leaving the party because of this.FORTY-NINE doses of ten vaccines by age six. ALUMINUM in most, still some MERCURY in some. THOSE ARE POISONS, and they are NOT given in safe doses no matter what you've heard. A lot of mercury has been removed, but there was a time when vaccines contained unbelievably large amounts, way above the safe level and the people responsible lied about it. Finally because of all the protests they took a lot of it out, but not all of it. Why should we trust any of these agencies ever? THESE ARE POISONS. Why tolerate any of it? Only because the companies that make it are exempt from being sued over it.This movie, only a few months old, is by a young man who experienced mercury poisoning from a tetanus shot and documents quite a bit of the history of the arguments:Trace AmountsI've been watching a three day rental of it but haven't finished it yet.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It is germane. And do you think that there is still an exemption for doctors and their kids in view of this.

You'd have to prove there isn't since this doesn't apply to doctors.But if it does so now they are also depriving their members of the right of informed consent they used to support?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

When are you going to provide any evidence. So far you've just made up numbers and misread the numbers others have provided. I suspect that you've just got some anecdotes. A large percentage of people who get measles have significant medical problems and several children per thousand die from the disease. There is no evidence, absolutely none, of measles vaccine presenting anywhere near the level of problems that the disease itself presents. Your rant here is simply irrational. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

I'm just stating information as it comes, there's evidence out there but I'm just collecting facts for the moment. The movie has people on both sides of the issue and gives lots of statistics and quotes.

Of course it applies to doctors. The AMA has no ability to exempt doctors from state law, and the AMA recommendation is that states should close the legal loopholes on vaccinations.I'll note that you haven't even demonstrated the scope of the prior exemption. The members are agreeing that getting vaccinations is a good idea based on the information they have. Nice spin though...Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

oh as usual you'll only try to debunk anything i say, so what else is new. I'm collecting sources though and hope I'll get more evidence posted. The thing is the only evidence for vaccinations comes from the pharmaceutical fcompanies but you aren't questioning that.