Does God demand equality?

ringo"Our thinking should override our instincts in many cases."As long as it is in many cases and not all.My statement thus stands and hate has a justified place in our thinking, with your caveat reducing the instances of hate without eliminating them all.Regards
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jarYou like to use the words ignorant and straw-man. It is becoming your mantra to hide behind.I do not agree that what I say is ignorant or a straw-man. It is pure Christian dogma and one of their more immoral concepts.Make your case or smarten up with your ignorant remarks.Reciprocity is fair play and I am not interested in using your ignorant language.If Jesus is not your savior and scapegoat, what is he?Regards
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ringoMy hate is justified by evolution and my instincts and biases.http://www.cbsnews.com/...elp-unlock-the-origins-of-moralityThis orchestra's blind audition proves bias sneaks in when you least expect it. - UpworthyIf you are not with me, you are against me. If I am not with you, I am against you.Regards
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jarIf you have no need for a savior, why bother seeking a God?Who is your God?Regards
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ringoNow your just not making sense.Regards
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jarWe cannot ever get anywhere when you refuse to answer questions and only answer questions with questions.If you need a savior, what have you done that deserves infinite punishment.Regards
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Phat.I understand d but then that would mean that your whole belief system is based on the supernatural and would begin with God showing us by his first judgement that there is somehow some justice in the punishing of the innocent instead of the guilty.Do you think there is justice in the punishing of the innocent instead of the guilty?1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.This quote shows just when God corrupted justice. Justice seeks to punish the guilty and not the innocent and God reversed that good legal and moral tenet to where he corrupted it by saying that the punishment of the innocent must be embraced for us to reach heaven.It seems that Satan ruled heaven in that day as only a Satan would demand the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty.Regards
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P.S. Did you know that the Jews who wrote Eden, have no Original sin concept. Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

jarAnd if you answered showing what you believe, people like me could actually communicate with people like you.You are forever telling us we are wrong without showing us what you think is right.Regards
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ringoCorrect as I have learned your style and am not interested in wasting my time.I do not have that much of a life but do not want to waste what little of it I have.Regards
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jarRead message 50.Regards
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Phat"To me, it seems that the God I believe in and serve demands obedience,"That is the common Christian dogma.It is also Christian dogma that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways. Especially mysterious when Christians are asking me to exonerate God of culpability for doing evil.Which leads to my point.How can you possibly know, given the unfathomable nature of God, what he wants you to obey?I noted in you chat with jar that you are not sure of our fall in Eden and that indicates that you are not sure if A & E should have obeyed God's command to remain stupid and blind.---------------"I believe that God expects me to treat others without regard to partiality."In this, we are one. Equality for all. Equality of opportunity and not equality of outcome.-----------------"This is a bit hard for me to do since I have a human tendency to prefer certain types of people over other types of people."It is hard for all of us as that penchant seems to be hard wired into our genetic makeup.Let me drop two links on this in case you did not see them.http://www.cbsnews.com/...elp-unlock-the-origins-of-moralityThis orchestra's blind audition proves bias sneaks in when you least expect it. - Upworthy-------------"I suppose that my question--at this point--is to ask Greatest I AM whether people should be treated differently than they are treated."I see a lot of homophobia, misogyny and lack of equality of opportunity out here in the real world. That last link above showed a couple of good examples and there is a net full of such examples so yes, definitely yes, we should be changing our ways as to how we treat people.Our instincts are tribal and we mostly see ourselves in our own little tribes, --- that are to discriminate against other tribes.We have to let our instincts know that all humans are of value and that we should think of all of us as one huge global tribe. That is the only way to world peace. IMO.Regards
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jarProceed with my education.What can anyone possibly do to warrant God refusing us heaven? What finite sin deserves infinite denial of heaven?---------------I also have a problem with placing my responsibility for my sins onto an innocent man or God.I have an argument that needs refuting if your education of me is to continue.Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong — say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong — you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant — of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.Do you agree?
If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.Regards
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jarSo your denomination does not recognize the ten commandments. Right?Regards
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Perhaps some day we will be able to chat.Regards
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