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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Tangle writes:
It's debatable whether those are "Christian ideas" or just ideas that some Christians have.
examples of 'evil' Christian ideas are many
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Actually I have a real question whether more than two of Tangle's examples could even be remotely considered as evil.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jar writes:
It does seem like a pretty low threshold of evil.
Actually I have a real question whether more than two of Tangle's examples could even be remotely considered as evil.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Sheesh. A least give a tiny amount of context... The context adds nothing. Your claim is still that:Left to their own devices, religions would be as primitive and destructive as extreem Islam is today. You also made the claim that (Message 1025):It is supported by the evidence [that religions are inherently violent and only become non-violent through tempering by irreligion and secularism] - there's actually a lot of it. Now's your chance to present that evidence. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Ringo writes: It's debatable whether those are "Christian ideas" or just ideas that some Christians have. They've all been invented by mainstream organisations that call themselves Christians. (Let's avoid the 'no true Christian' bollocks.)Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Jar writes: Actually I have a real question whether more than two of Tangle's examples could even be remotely considered as evil. Well I disagree, but I would have thought that two was enough to debunk a religion claiming to represent the ultimate good.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
- only people that subscribe to their brand can get to heaven
I have to suppose that this is a garbled version of the teaching that Jesus died for our sins so that we won't go to Hell. Some denominations don't clearly preach this at all. - babies that die before being christened can't get to heaven Sounds Catholic to me. Nothing in the Bible supports this, but I suppose you are only interested in what some denominations say rather than what the Bible says. - contraception is a mortal sin for which you go to hell Definitely Catholic. It's weird how Catholicism divides sin into categories. The Bible makes it clear any sin whatever leads to Hell, and the only salvation from Hell is belief in Christ's death in our place. - people are born with sin Now that is Biblical. We wouldn't need salvation if it weren't true. - women are inferior creatures There is nothing whatever in the Bible that says such a thing. Historically men may have believed it nevertheless. - the church can be super rich whilst taking money from the poor and preaching that you must give to the poor Only the Catholic church could be called "super rich" -- oh except for some televangelists who fleece the flock, but they aren't a church. And while wealth is morally neutral, greed for it is a sin. - you can buy indulgences Catholic lie. - prayer works It certainly does if you believe rightly. - heretics can be lawfully killed Catholic evil. - you can wage holy wars I don't know who believes or teaches this. Wars just happen when there is unresolvable conflict. but it's far from the spirit of Biblical Christianity. -- and so on All in all an amazingly garbled list. Anything that deviates from the Bible and calls itself Christianity could be called evil though.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I know, Faith, only your kind of Christianity is true Christianity.
Billions beg to differ.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Since when is truth determined by popularity?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Since when is truth determined by popularity? Since when is truth determined by unpopularity? A couple of points - it's rather obvious that my position is that no branch of Christianity is 'true'. Rather, that all branches of the brand - including your own - have made up all this nonsense and will continue to do so it seems. Some of this nonsense causes people to do some very bad things and believe ideas that are bad for them. Hence 'evil', a rather silly word which I'm interpreting to mean harm of various sorts.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: Can you show that any form of lifestyle and philosophy is anything other than made up? it's rather obvious that my position is that no branch of Christianity is 'true'. Rather, that all branches of the brand - including your own - have made up all this nonsense and will continue to do so it seems.God created war so that Americans would learn geography. —Mark Twain "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are of course free to disagree. That is certainly your right.
But since neither of the two possible evils are universal or exclusive to Christianity or even to religions your position seems just plain silly.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Jar writes: But since neither of the two possible evils are universal or exclusive to Christianity or even to religions your position seems just plain silly. Christians believe different things. They badly agree on anything. The point is that religions have beliefs which are often harmful, some devastatingly so.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Let me fix that for you.
The point is that people have beliefs which are often harmful, some devastatingly so.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: Can you show that any form of lifestyle and philosophy is anything other than made up? Why would I want to do that? We're talking about religions - they're universally man made with no empirical backing.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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