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Author Topic:   The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
ringo
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Message 593 of 675 (762357)
07-11-2015 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 591 by Faith
07-11-2015 11:30 AM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
"Sitting" suggests biological aliveness to me, not sure why it doesn't to you.
Because I have a book "sitting" on my coffee table and I don't consider it biologically alive.
Faith writes:
You experience Shakespeare's presence? Without actually reading something he wrote?
You experience Jesus' presence without actually reading something he wrote?

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ringo
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Message 595 of 675 (762365)
07-11-2015 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 594 by Faith
07-11-2015 12:23 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
But I'm tired of this semantic nonsense ringo, you seem to be determined to twist whatever anyone says.
Yes, I'm determined to get people to look at things in different ways.
Faith writes:
Christians experience the actual presence of God at times and you apparently don't want to know about it.
That has nothing to do with anything I said. As I understand it, most Christians don't think Jesus is biologically alive today; I was just trying to clarify whether or not you do.

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ringo
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Message 598 of 675 (762374)
07-11-2015 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 596 by Faith
07-11-2015 1:01 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
He said He's not a spirit, He ate a fish in His resurrection body, how much more biological can you get?
Yes, he was biologically alive after the resurrection but only until the ascension. It doesn't make much sense to me that he would still be eating and sleeping today.

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ringo
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Message 602 of 675 (762462)
07-12-2015 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 599 by Faith
07-11-2015 1:29 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
Why would He go to such lengths to prove He could eat a fish in His resurrection body if He was not going to continue the practice after His ascension?
What lengths? He was hungry so he ate a fish. What makes you think he was trying to prove anything?

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ringo
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Message 603 of 675 (762463)
07-12-2015 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 601 by Faith
07-11-2015 5:22 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Faith writes:
Nothing about eating and sleeping but a clear image of a bodily Redeemer, whom Job would have understood to be God Himself in the flesh.
Job said nothing about "bodily" or "flesh". And his redeemer would not have been Jesus.

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ringo
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Message 605 of 675 (762471)
07-12-2015 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 604 by Phat
07-12-2015 2:52 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Phat writes:
Whom praytell would it have been, then?
I'm no Hebrew scholar but the word goel, according to Wikipedia, means something like "next of kin". There's no reason, other than Christian propaganda, to associate the word with Jesus.

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ringo
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Message 611 of 675 (762555)
07-13-2015 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 606 by Phat
07-12-2015 6:43 PM


Re: Kinfolk Cant Cut It
Phat writes:
How could our "next of kin" redeem us from anything?
You're looking at it backwards. You've decided that Jesus is "The Redeemer" so you're concluding that Job must have been referring to Jesus. What you should be doing is trying to figure out what the authors meant by the word they chose. You should also consider the possibility that the translators had their own spin to add by translating it as "redeemer".

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ringo
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Message 614 of 675 (762562)
07-13-2015 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 609 by Mal
07-13-2015 10:57 AM


Re: Jesus is alive
Mal writes:
If the Bible contains errors, falsehoods, contradictions, and irrelevancies as you say, then why believe anything that is in it?
Like any other source of information, we test it against reality. We accept what matches and discount what doesn't.

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ringo
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Message 618 of 675 (762573)
07-13-2015 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 617 by Mal
07-13-2015 1:10 PM


Re: Jesus is alive
Mal writes:
I am not convinced that many people do that.
Of course THEY don't. That's why WE call THEM the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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ringo
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Message 634 of 675 (762894)
07-17-2015 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 632 by Faith
07-16-2015 9:48 PM


Faith writes:
Even the prophets didn't understand all the implications of what they were writing down of what God was telling them (Peter says this in the NT).
I think Peter said practically the opposite:
quote:
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Prophecy isn't of much use if people don't understand it. In fact, the prophets were mostly telling people what they already knew but didn't want to hear.

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ringo
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Message 640 of 675 (762962)
07-18-2015 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 637 by Faith
07-17-2015 8:08 PM


Faith writes:
That isn't the passage I had in mind, but this one: 1 Peter 1:10 -12
Are you suggesting that Peter changed his mind between his first epistle and his second? Otherwise, I'd say that "no private interpretation" trumps "searching diligently".
Faith writes:
They had to "search diligently" to get a basic understanding of their own prophecies, the coming of Christ, the timing of His coming and the meaning of His salvation, which they could see was given to a people in the far future and not themselves.
Even your own example doesn't say anything like that.
Faith writes:
That's true of their indictment of the Israelites for their failures to keep God's Law, but not of their foreshadowings of future events.
The problem is that the foreshadowing you claim just isn't there.
Faith writes:
It is very clear in the New Testament how little was understood by the majority, and even the disciples didn't fully grasp the prophecies.
I know you'd like to think that you know more than the people in the New Testament did, but there's no evidence that you do.

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ringo
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Message 643 of 675 (763076)
07-20-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 641 by Phat
07-20-2015 11:34 AM


Re: Intended Audience ---Who Determines?
Phat writes:
If the author and/or artist is long since gone, the determination is made by us ourselves.
So, when Jesus called the Pharisees a "generation of vipers", do you include yourself in that generation? At what point do you ignore what He actually said?

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 649 of 675 (763127)
07-21-2015 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 644 by Phat
07-21-2015 6:53 AM


Re: Intended Audience ---Who Determines?
Phat writes:
If the shoe fits....
The point is: How do you decide whether you're being offered a shoe? Do you go down the street yanking people's shoes off to see if they fit you?

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ringo
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Message 670 of 675 (796468)
12-30-2016 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 662 by Phat
12-12-2016 11:30 AM


Re: Maps,Territories,and personal decisions
Phat writes:
If Jesus preached to Jews, why do you take matthew 25 as being for everyone?
Jesus was talking TO Jews but He was talking ABOUT everybody. What part of "all nations" is confusing?

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