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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Hypothetically, does this include "fallen" angels? If God created angels foreknowing that a third of them would rebel and actualize destiny, would it be God who was evil or would it be "evil" that sought to be like God? If God has foreknowledge and creates someone who will get damned then that God is evil. I realize that this is all hypothetical silly talk based on dogmas that many Christians believe. Many believe that God personifies good and that Satan personifies bad. My question is if God created Lucifer foreknowing that Lucifer would choose to become a rival franchise, would God be responsible for the rival franchise or would Satan? (I say that this makes Isaiah 45:7 more sensible than before)Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Asgara writes: Time sure flies. And I am sure that you are wiser now than you were then.
Thanks for replying to a nine year old post...sheesh In your view does he or doesn't he know your outcome before he creates you? Honestly I don't know. If He knows anything, He is being quiet about it. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Hypothetically, does this include "fallen" angels? If God created angels foreknowing that a third of them would rebel and actualize destiny, would it be God who was evil or would it be "evil" that sought to be like God? Of course it would make that God evil but there is nothing at all evil about being like God. In fact the Bible tells us that humans are just like God except they do not live forever. The idea that trying to become God or be like God is wrong or evil is just another Christian Cult of Ignorance con job.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Of course, we are exhorted to become "like Jesus". The idea that trying to become God or be like God is wrong or evil is just another Christian Cult of Ignorance con job. Becoming like Jesus is one thing..."becoming Jesus" will likely get you thrown in a mental ward.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Of course, we are exhorted to become "like Jesus". Becoming like Jesus is one thing..."becoming Jesus" will likely get you thrown in a mental ward. You keep conflating what the Bible says and what the Christian Cult of Ignorance propaganda says. I did not mention Jesus and of course Jesus is irrelevant when talking about the Bible saying that we are already like God except we do not live forever.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Jon writes: Are you sure? No one has ever considered that. I suppose you might have, but that's just you. Within a traditional understanding you clearly support the notion that free will exists.Love your enemies!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi Phat,
Phat writes: I believe so. Just because you believe it does not make it so. God created mankind male and female your parents were descendants of those people. Your parents created you not God. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar
jar writes: except we do not live forever. Are you sure? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, anything born dies. Sorry but that is a fact.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6
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Hi jar,
jar writes: Yes, anything born dies. Sorry but that is a fact. Enoch and Elijah haven't died yet. Mankind was created an eternal being and will live somewhere eternally. Those who are born again of the Spirit will live with God their father eternally all others will live with their father the devil. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Enoch and Elijah haven't died yet. So you claim but there is no evidence to support that assertion.
Mankind was created an eternal being and will live somewhere eternally. Well, the first statement is most certainly false according to the Bible and again, there is no evidence to support your latter assertion.
Those who are born again of the Spirit will live with God their father eternally all others will live with their father the devil. Sorry but that is simply utter nonsense and if it were true then it would be proof that the God you market is vile, evil and unworthy of respect or worship.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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I didn't realize that you had been here for 10 years, Cat. As you reread your old perspectives on this topic, do you have any new insights on this age old hypothetical topic? Not really. I still think that omnipotence is ridiculous.
I currently believe and think that God may well foreknow everything that is destined to happen and yet we humans have no right to call that evil since we ourselves don't know our own destinies at this point. I could argue it either way or both. Its not something that is grounded in reality.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
It's not about the understander; it's about the explainer.
An eleven year old can understand it.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi jar,
You are free to exercise your freewill and call God's
jar writes: Sorry but that is simply utter nonsense and if it were true then it would be proof that the God you market is vile, evil and unworthy of respect or worship. But just because you want to believe something does not make it so. You can act like Cain did all you want. Cain did not do things God's way and God did not accept Cain's way. God does not have to accept the gospel according to jar either. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Ringo,
Ringo writes: It's not about the understander; it's about the explainer. I would think that for a eleven year old to understand it there would have to be someone that could explain it where the eleven year old could understand it. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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