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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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But as for the idea that "a gun-related tragedy can be countered with something else" I regard that as self-deception. You can't "counter" such an event by refusing to get upset by it or get carried away with ideas of self-defense, you are merely making yourself feel better, calming your emotions. If no more tragedies occur, fine, but there is no cause and effect relation between your attitude and that fact. But just out of curiosity, do you think Norway is any better prepared to handle it if another such incident DID occur? Why or why not, and what preparations have they made? It is not self-deception if you shout out loud that the ideals we hold are stronger than a couple of lunatics. The Al-Qaida wanted to paralyze the west by invoking fear (some of it justified, admittably) and thus making lives at the airports much more difficult than before. Norway has improved their ability to read the quiet signals that might telltale an attack. They have also improved their ability to get the information flow between the authorities faster. What they havent done is arm the youth camps and if Ive understood correctly are not going to. The lonely wolves are always more difficult to spot than groups but to understand better the seemingly separate issues might just be enough. The most important point however is to have enough qualified personnel at schools to listen and observe so the possible "mental cases" are noticed early on.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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Of course everything can (and probably will) be disputed. Dr A posted similar diagrams andt hey were not touched at all by our resident gun-toters.
The fact that there were 11 gun-related deaths in Japan (pop. 130 mio, xians 0,7%) and 11 THOUSAND in the US (pop.300 mio, xians 75%), should shout the problem out loud. Guns kill people and xianity does little to shield from violence.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
When people who have mental problems and/or feel having been mistreated have guns, the result is awful.
Police: 3 dead after ex-cop vows 'war' on other police, their families - CNN This is a case in which a well-trained individual put his skills and weapons to use. As nave it is to say, without firearms at least three people wouldve lived to see another day.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Apologies, could not find the correct letter from android keyboard.
Back to the topic - I find it odd when words like necessary or valuable are attributed to the guns. Guns are designed to kill things - that is the ONLY purpose they serve. Anyone comparing them with cars or knives or chainsaws is IMO dishonest.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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Those "other western-style societies" are now sitting ducks for the tyranny you deny could possibly occur in our enlightened age. I'd rather not see America go that way myself. Could you please inform in what kind of tyranny am I as a citizen of a Nordic country in danger of. Could it be that you have no idea what life is like elsewhere.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
I dont know how influential Terry Jones is really but to me this struck as quite scary.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
I am not sure what the gun laws are like in Delaware but two women have lost their lives (the gunman is dead too) because of a firearmed assailant.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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While this is as real a tragedy as can be, I cannot help but wonder what the heck...
A 5-yo had gotten a 22-caliber rifle for his birthday!!! Who the h3ll thinks a real firearm is a proper present for a CHILD? I thought that idiocy had reached its pinnacle but apparently it had not. 5-year-old Kentucky boy fatally shoots 2-year-old sister - CNN And then something that made me want to puke. I reallly, really loath people like this. They are the vilest of vile and lowest of low.
"He just picked (the gun) up before he realized it," grandmother Linda Riddle told WLEX. Riddle said her granddaughter enjoyed singing and playing outdoors, and she loved her brother. "It's just tragic," uncle David Mann told the CNN affiliate. "It's something that you can't prepare for." Riddle said she is devastated, but comforted knowing that her granddaughter is in a better place. "It was God's will. It was her time to go, I guess," she told WLEX. "I just know she's in heaven right now and I know she's in good hands with the Lord." Edited by saab93f, : Correcting typos and adding a bit.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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I am nothing but really sad and angry.
How can anyone be so stupid and immoral as to make and sell guns for kids, how can anyone be so idiotic as to buy one and then leave it unattended? Having firearms has apparently become so much a part of normal life that they are not treated with due care and attention. Once again - who on earth can be so obnoxious as to come up with an idea of arming kids. I hope the manufacturer quits and never has anything to do with guns again (and if possible, he could suffer from a violent diarrhea for like five years or sumthin...).
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined:
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This whole gun-conversation is so odd that my head hurts. While I do (at least pretend to) understand the historical background of the right to own weapons, justifications for it beyond the 19th century are beyond my understanding.
We all have a want and need to carry our everyday affairs in reasonable safety and predictiveness. We parents send our children to school knowing that they'll come home in the afternoon. How on earth does adults armed to their teeth support that? IMO handguns are 100% unnecessary. There is absolutely nothing good in them and they serve no positive purpose. I just cannot comprehend the love for guns or the arguments of the likes of NRA etc. It is beyond hope to wish that handguns were eliminated but why is it even impossible to discuss the possibilities of not arming psychos...?
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Hi jar.
What I meant that in the US basically every restriction is met with the 2nd Amendment. Background checks were seen as unconstitutional as well as waiting periods. Sorry if I'm oversimplifying but to me it seems that you love guns more than people. Why is it almost a necessity for a person to acquire a handgun? Using the bad people -defense seems almost naive - there hasn't been many cases where "a good armed guy" has been able to stop the attacker but plenty where the good guy has accidentally killed people.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
It is somewhat silly IMO to compare deaths from car accidents to those from guns. Cars serve a useful purpose AND their primary function is not to kill or maim people whereas handguns...
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
If we banned vehicles it would reduce vehicular deaths. Yes but that does nothing to the fact that vehicles serve a useful purpose, handguns do not.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Don't you mean that handguns do not serve a useful purpose that YOU see? Could be. I may just be so limited in my understanding that apart from target practising I do not come up with anything even remotely positive.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
Think about why practically every cop on duty carries a handgun. They're the best weapon you can have. And if only I wasn't a police officer myself... A sad necessity does not make the guns any more welcome or desirable.
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