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Message 2727 of 5179 (732678)
07-09-2014 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 2726 by hooah212002
07-09-2014 7:00 PM


Remedial gun handling
When you shoot something the result may well be death, but in self defense that is NOT the goal.
You are free of course to think otherwise and being ready and willing to kill someone or something is not the same as having killing as a goal. It is a good reminder for both parties though. The person I aim a gun at needs to be fully aware that his actions, his (or her) behavior could well result in his or her death.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 2729 of 5179 (732682)
07-09-2014 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2728 by hooah212002
07-09-2014 8:12 PM


Re: Remedial gun handling
No. A reasonable gun owner only points a gun at something they are willing to kill. More than once I have had a deer or boar in my sights and not pulled the trigger.
Willing and want are not synonymous.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 2731 of 5179 (732684)
07-09-2014 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 2730 by hooah212002
07-09-2014 8:44 PM


Re: Remedial gun handling
No, when I aim at something in a defensive situation I intend to stop a behavior. I do not intend to kill anyone. I am willing to do that if that is the only way to stop the behavior.
I agree that I would not use a gun to threaten someone. That is just silly.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3320 of 5179 (750767)
02-22-2015 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 3319 by RAZD
02-22-2015 8:15 AM


Re: 4-year Old Boy Shot by Mother -- accident or negligence?
Definitely negligence and almost certainly either a lie or a gun that was tampered with.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3322 of 5179 (750771)
02-22-2015 10:47 AM
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02-22-2015 10:40 AM


Re: 4-year Old Boy Shot by Mother -- accident or negligence?
Yup. And that there was an automobile accident.
Willful ignorance is endemic.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3326 of 5179 (750834)
02-23-2015 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 3325 by frako
02-23-2015 5:25 AM


Re: 4-year Old Boy Shot by Mother -- accident or negligence?
It could have been one of the first revolvers that was ever made they where notorious for going off if dropped.
Which is why you always left an empty cylinder under the hammer. It still can not be an accident but definitely is negligence. Most likely though still a lie.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3329 of 5179 (750905)
02-24-2015 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3328 by RAZD
02-24-2015 8:36 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Too funny.
Have you ever tried that RAZD?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3332 of 5179 (750927)
02-24-2015 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 3330 by RAZD
02-24-2015 10:12 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
RAZD writes:
Curiously it was suggested to me by a gun instructor who practices it.
Certainly you go thru the same motions when you reload using quick-load systems, yes?
Enjoy.
Sometimes you do but it is never as fast as not having to reload. In addition, when using an semi-automatic you do not go through the same motions as your source should certainly know.
With a revolver it is the same motions as a rapid reload(again still much slower than not reloading) but with a bottom feeder simply swapping the magazine leaves you with an unloaded gun UNLESS it is done when the slide is fully retracted. I know of no holster made to support a semi-automatic handgun with the slide fully back and locked.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3334 of 5179 (750929)
02-24-2015 11:44 AM
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02-24-2015 11:42 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Yup. Maybe less but still way too much time.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3336 of 5179 (750932)
02-24-2015 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 3335 by Theodoric
02-24-2015 11:51 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Too much time between drawing my pistol out of the holster and actually firing.
No one should ever take their gun out of it's holster until there is an almost certainty that it will be fired. A handgun is always safest when it is still in the holster.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3347 of 5179 (753822)
03-22-2015 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3345 by Percy
03-22-2015 10:43 AM


Re: Slovene Home Guard
What the hell is an armor piercing bullet and why would it be a concern anyway?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3755 of 5179 (765571)
08-01-2015 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 3754 by ramoss
08-01-2015 11:14 AM


Re: "Stay out of the South"
Probably not too many. How many police have their gun stolen right off their side?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3757 of 5179 (765578)
08-01-2015 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 3756 by kjsimons
08-01-2015 11:51 AM


Re: "Stay out of the South"
So as suspected, simply not something to worry about.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3759 of 5179 (765612)
08-02-2015 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3758 by saab93f
08-02-2015 5:40 AM


It is beyond hope to wish that handguns were eliminated but why is it even impossible to discuss the possibilities of not arming psychos...?
Where is it impossible to discuss the possibilities of not arming psychos? In fact there are already laws on the books in most countries including the US making it illegal to sell a gun to a psycho.
But bad folk do not obey laws.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3761 of 5179 (765615)
08-02-2015 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 3760 by saab93f
08-02-2015 8:49 AM


What I meant that in the US basically every restriction is met with the 2nd Amendment. Background checks were seen as unconstitutional as well as waiting periods.
Many things are seen as unconstitutional and it is right to test the issue when there are doubts. But both waiting periods and background checks were found to not be unconstitutional.
But there is an issue in the US.
We have no way to check many of the things needed to be checked. There is no such thing in the US as a registry of citizens. There is no way to check to see if someone is a psycho or potential psycho. There is no database of who has been treated for mental illness or even been hospitalized for mental illness.
Why is it almost a necessity for a person to acquire a handgun?
It isn't and in fact most Americans don't own a handgun. I try to make up for that though by owning more than one handgun.
Using the bad people -defense seems almost naive - there hasn't been many cases where "a good armed guy" has been able to stop the attacker but plenty where the good guy has accidentally killed people.
Even if that were true it is irrelevant to anything. The fact is that bad people do not obey laws and that includes the existing gun laws.
There are serious problems in the US, one of the biggest is a seemingly innate disregard for the laws whether it is speeding or jaywalking or littering or resorting to violence.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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