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Message 226 of 1639 (765488)
07-29-2015 10:25 PM
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07-29-2015 8:06 PM


protecting water supplies
It's interesting that it was President Bill Clinton that designated the EPA as the lead agency to address the issues and did so using a Presidential Directive.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 227 of 1639 (765594)
08-01-2015 7:11 PM


The Donald
Here is his critique of the Iran deal, delivered in Sun City, SC, July 21st:
Look, having nuclearmy uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smartyou know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the worldit’s true!but when you're a conservative Republican they tryoh, do they do a numberthat’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortuneyou know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantagedbut you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers meit would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was rightwho would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisonersnow it used to be three, now it’s fourbut when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 yearsbut the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
This is, to give him credit, the best Republican critique yet of the Iran deal, in that it's too incoherent to contain any actual lies about it.

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Message 228 of 1639 (765599)
08-01-2015 8:35 PM
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08-01-2015 7:11 PM


Re: The Donald
Damn! I don't think that's even well enough organized to be incoherent!

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Message 229 of 1639 (765602)
08-01-2015 9:21 PM
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08-01-2015 7:11 PM


Re: The Donald
Verily, what I had learned in college has been manifested as truth!:
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, then baffle them with your bullshit.

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Message 230 of 1639 (765619)
08-02-2015 10:02 AM
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Re: The Donald

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Message 231 of 1639 (765657)
08-03-2015 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by marc9000
07-29-2015 6:51 PM


Re: Donald Trump is a Democratic plot to make GOP look stupid
9-11-01 was an attack on our homeland.
It was not by another nation, just a bunch of nuts living in squalor in Afghanistan.
A lot of what happened during the 80's was the result of the actions of both houses of congress - Democrats. Reagan vetoed a lot of things, but not as many as he should have. His one phrase sums up a lot of things; "Government isn't the solution, government is the problem". That's the big problem we have today, bigger and bigger government causes more and more corruption (in both parties), and so many on the left think that more big government is the solution to past failed big government. And the political divide continues to grow.
Reaganomics and voodoo economics, trickle down, were all President Braindead's ideas and nothing trickled down, instead it was the biggest redistribution of wealth in history.....it was "gush-up economics".
When we hear republicans claim they want smaller government it is code for "we want to make government run just as crappy as is possible, so we can transfer as much as possible into our cronie's private hands." Once all the functions of government are privatized they can really fuck us, and continue the move back to a slave society.
That you don't see a brand new ballgame in threats to the U.S. mainland is amazing to me.
I do see a brand new ballgame of threats to the U. S. It is the Republicans and the Tea Party and the bible thumpers and the bigots and the people like you who support them while you spout crap about terrible big government.
Their ideas of liberty, limited government, and morality are NO DIFFERENT than those of the Republican candidates and presidents of 30 or 40 years ago.
They are not interested in liberty. They are doing everything they can to limit the liberties of everyone but the ultra rich and limiting any rules about how corporations should behave in a civilized society.
They absolutely do not want limited government. They just want to privatize it and squeeze every cent of profit that they can out of the former citizens.
Morality? The morality they practice is cutting the last safety lines for the elderly and for poor children. Denying health care to poor children, denying health care to women. They bitch about the innocents that died on 9-11 and then turn around and start a war that killed more than 100,000 innocent Iraqis. Yeah, that is the highest example of moral behavior.
I was a teenager in the 1960's. When both Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King were shot, there was practically no mention of any type of gun control, from the Democrats OR the news madia. Back then, at least some Democrats respected the U.S. enough to not blame society in general every time an unfortunate violent act took place in a free society.
I was in high school when JFK was shot and as I remember there was a huge stink about the fact that Oswald bought a mail order rifle and there was an immediate call to stop that.
You know disagreeing with you does not mean we don't respect or love this nation. We want to learn from our mistakes and try to make this country better. We are honest enough to admit that we have made mistakes and we are ashamed and embarrassed and want to do better. You bunch have lied to yourselves for so long that you believe all the lies.
Confederate flags weren't targeted when King was shot.
And I ask, "Why not?" They should have been. I would bet that every single African American in this country wanted these symbols of bigotry and hatred and slavery torn down, especially from public property that they paid taxes to support. It is their country too.
Gay marriage wasn't even remotely considered when Carter was president.
So what? We can't have new ideas, new issues, new inequities that need to be addressed?
A $15 minimum wage wasn't even thought of during the Clinton administration. (even adjusted for inflation)
Again, so what? Our economy will never recover until money starts to circulate. That means people need to spend money, even if it is for the basic necessities of life, but they have to have money before they can spend it.
Do you really think that people who work 40 or more hours a week should not make enough to support themselves and their family?
Do you really think that CEOs who don't actually do any work really are worth millions or billions of dollars a year and that it is good for our economy for them to hoard their wealth so that it does not circulate through the economy?
Your dislike of science and scientists and people who want to raise the education level of the people who live here, so as a nation we can be self-reliant, and not have to fear everyone that does not live here, baffles me. Preparing ourselves and our children to cope with challenges we will face in the future seems like the only prudent course. The alternative is to be another has-been-nation, that failed because of false pride and refusal to work for a betterment of all.
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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 232 of 1639 (765664)
08-03-2015 9:42 PM
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08-02-2015 10:02 AM


The Trump/Bill the Cat ticket
Way back in the old "Bloom County" cartoon, there was an extended series having Trump's brain in Bill the Cat's body.
Trump's body was crushed when his yachts anchor was accidentally dropped on the Donald, and to save him his brain was transplanted into Bill's body.
A couple of memorable lines were referring to wife Ivana as "the Trump frump" and referring to the litter box as "the Trump dump".
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 233 of 1639 (765666)
08-03-2015 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by marc9000
07-29-2015 6:51 PM


Re: Donald Trump is a Democratic plot to make GOP look stupid
I was a teenager in the 1960's. When both Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King were shot, there was practically no mention of any type of gun control, from the Democrats OR the news madia.
Bullshit. Ever wonder why you cannot buy a rifle mail order as Oswald did? You might want to research stuff before you display your total lack of knowledge. Is your ignorance willful and on purpose?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 234 of 1639 (765674)
08-03-2015 11:19 PM
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07-29-2015 6:51 PM


Re: Donald Trump is a Democratic plot to make GOP look stupid
Their ideas of liberty, limited government, and morality are NO DIFFERENT than those of the Republican candidates and presidents of 30 or 40 years ago.
Perhaps you could get them to agree with Reagan, then, and say that "Church and state are, and must remain, separate". I liked that idea of liberty. It was the same idea of liberty preached by Madison and Jefferson. But of late it seems to have fallen out of favor among conservatives.
Perhaps this has something to do with what Barry Goldwater, the Republican nominee in 1964, warned us about:
The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

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Message 235 of 1639 (765716)
08-04-2015 9:57 PM


Fox Hath Spoken
As you know, not all the declared Republican candidates are going to be allowed to participate in the first debate, because if you put all of them on the same platform their combined evil would rend the very fabric of spacetime itself and hellbeasts would start climbing out from the netherworlds beyond and feasting on the studio audience.
For this or some more true but less interesting reason Fox News has decided to cut it down to ten based on polling. And here's the list.
1 Donald Trump
2 Jeb Bush
3 Scott Walker
4 Mike Huckabee
5 Ben Carson
6 Ted Cruz
7 Marco Rubio
8 Rand Paul
9 Chris Christie
10 John Kasich
Big news is, no Rick Perry, which means we won't be delighted again by seeing him forget which bits of the government he wants to abolish. Remember that? He does. The high point of his political career was five seconds before he got asked that question.
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Message 236 of 1639 (765718)
08-04-2015 10:14 PM
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08-04-2015 9:57 PM


Re: Fox Hath Spoken
There was a song about that.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 237 of 1639 (765729)
08-05-2015 6:24 AM
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08-04-2015 9:57 PM


Re: Fox Hath Spoken
DrAdequate writes:
Big news is, no Rick Perry, which means we won't be delighted again by seeing him forget which bits of the government he wants to abolish. Remember that? He does. The high point of his political career was five seconds before he got asked that question.
As much as I love seeing Republicans seeking powerful government posts stammering like high-school debaters, I wonder how effective this means of choosing a chief executive really is. After all, it was a caught-on-camera gaffe that made Democratic hopeful Howard Dean look foolish and sank his political ambitions. However, Dean wasn't the choad he appeared to be on TV: he was the closest thing to a progressive voice in the 2004 campaign, and his exit led ultimately to John Kerry's uninspiring run and subsequent failure against Bush Jr. Furthermore, Dean's campaigning and fundraising strategies were so effective they became models for the Democratic machine during Obama's successful runs.
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders when the time comes, but I have no illusions that his grumpy, disheveled manner will translate into major voter support or media attention. The other prominent progressive Democrat in the public eye, Elizabeth Warren, looks so awkward on camera it's often excruciating; is her message going to transcend image any more than it did for people like Dean or Nader? Maybe we always get the President we deserve via this method, and that's too bad.
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Message 238 of 1639 (765736)
08-05-2015 9:24 AM
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Re: Fox Hath Spoken
Bernie is the only choice for progressives.
Anyone on the left just needs to read is positions and know he is the candidate the Democratic Party needs to put forward against whatever clown the Rethugs present.
Bernie Sanders Official Website
I don't use twitter but love this hashtag.
#feelthebern
ABE
And he is a great choice.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 239 of 1639 (765752)
08-05-2015 3:09 PM
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Re: Fox Hath Spoken
I like Bernie. I will vote for him in the primaries, but any of the democrats who have announced so far are better than ANY of the republicans who have announced so far

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Message 240 of 1639 (765756)
08-05-2015 3:23 PM
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Re: Fox Hath Spoken
I wonder how effective this means of choosing a chief executive really is.
Personally, I think we were better served by the smoke filled rooms of yore.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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