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ScottRP
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Message 541 of 1310 (766250)
08-15-2015 5:11 PM
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08-15-2015 12:42 PM


You are speaking in riddles.

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Message 542 of 1310 (766251)
08-15-2015 5:38 PM
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08-15-2015 5:11 PM


No, he is speaking far more clearly than you have.
Please stop embarrassing the good people of Tustin. I am from Santa Ana (born and raised) and returned to Santa Ana a decade ago, but I lived among the good people of Tustin for about 20 years. Please stop embarrassing them.

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Message 543 of 1310 (766253)
08-15-2015 6:06 PM
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06-24-2015 1:10 AM


Re: Discerning the Spirit
Hi Scott,
ScottRP writes:
Jesus had revealed the Spirit to me twice. He is obviously from God.
Could you explain exactly how the Holy Spirit (I assume that is the one you are talking about) was revealed to you not just one time but a total of two times.
quote:
1 John 4:3. Behold, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Be sure to try the spirits.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ScottRP
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Message 544 of 1310 (766256)
08-15-2015 8:11 PM
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08-15-2015 5:38 PM


I speak the truth. It is you who are embarrassing yourself.

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Message 545 of 1310 (766262)
08-15-2015 9:47 PM


This thread was just about dead. I was kinda hoping nobody had any questions, but I guess this is the kind of thread we're stuck with now that we don't have anyone arguing that the moon craters are a Flood artifact.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Message 546 of 1310 (766263)
08-15-2015 9:52 PM
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08-15-2015 8:11 PM


My sincerest apologies to the fine people of Tustin for your willful ignorance.
Soy de Santa Ana!

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Message 547 of 1310 (766268)
08-15-2015 11:02 PM
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08-15-2015 9:52 PM


Soy de Santa Ana!
Isn't it "Estoy....!"

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Message 548 of 1310 (766271)
08-15-2015 11:36 PM
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08-15-2015 11:02 PM


If I remember correctly, "Soy" would be used for health, location, or condition.
But it was a long time back!

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Message 549 of 1310 (766272)
08-15-2015 11:39 PM
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08-15-2015 11:02 PM


Claro que no. Es el lugar de mi origen. No es condicin temporaria, sino es permanente.

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Message 550 of 1310 (766274)
08-16-2015 12:23 AM
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08-15-2015 11:39 PM


Si, pero creo que lugar necesita usar el verbo "estar" en todos casos. No?
I apologize for my bad Spanish.

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Message 551 of 1310 (766276)
08-16-2015 2:19 AM
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08-15-2015 11:36 PM


I thought "soy" would be used for nigiri, chirashi, or maki?

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Rrhain
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Message 552 of 1310 (766279)
08-16-2015 4:16 AM
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08-16-2015 12:23 AM


Faith writes:
quote:
Si, pero creo que lugar necesita usar el verbo "estar" en todos casos. No?
No.
"Ser" and "estar" both mean "to be," but they serve different functions. "Ser" has connotations of permanence while "estar" is more connected to temporary conditions. Thus, I would say, "Soy de San Diego," because my permanent residence is San Diego. But if I were feeling sick, I'd say, "Estoy enfermado," because being sick is not my permanent state.
So for location, if you are referring to your current location, you'd use "estar" but if you're referring to where you're from, you'd use "ser."
Estoy en la oficina: I'm in the office.
Soy de la oficina: I'm from the office.
There are some peculiarities. "Ser" is used to tell time. Despite the fact that the time is constantly changing, the moment is a "permanent" condition and time always exists, thus "ser."
Because "estar" is used to indicate location, it is used even when the location is permanent. The San Diego Zoo isn't going to get up and move any time soon, but you'd say that "Est en Balboa Park."
Next thing you know, we'll be debating the difference between "saber" and "conocer," you know?

Rrhain

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Message 553 of 1310 (766287)
08-16-2015 9:24 AM
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08-16-2015 4:16 AM


I know the basic rule about permanence versus temporariness, but did think place, even place of birth, required estar. I'd be happy enough to take your word for the usage since my knowledge of Spanish is limited to high school and one afternoon of fun trying to talk with a native Guatamalan, but you made one contradictory remark that gives me pause:
Because "estar" is used to indicate location, it is used even when the location is permanent. The San Diego Zoo isn't going to get up and move any time soon, but you'd say that "Est en Balboa Park."
See, here you are affirming what I had in mind: estar indicates location even when the location is permanent.
So now you've made it hard to take your word for it after all.
I'd much rather debate Spanish usage than creationism or politics in my present state of mind.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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dwise1
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Message 554 of 1310 (766291)
08-16-2015 12:19 PM
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08-16-2015 9:24 AM


Estar is used for location as in "where something is located". Originally (going way back long before the language ever became Spanish) it would be used with the locative case, but that case's function has been taken over by positional prepositions (eg, in, on, over, under) as in the example we were given: "Est en Balboa Park." The preposition "de" does not indicate location.
Ser is used to indicate origin. It is used with "de" to indicate where something is from, which is quite different from the idea of where something is located. "De" could also indicate motion away from somewhere, though that would more often be used with a verb of motion such as "venir" or "ir".
In the textbook, Cmo se dice ... ?, on page 36 it says:
quote:
Ser is used with the preposition de to indicae origin or possession:
Nosotros somos de Madrid. We are from Madrid.
Es la hija de Pedro. She is Peter's daughter.
In Spanish Grammar, 2/ed, part of the Schaum's Outline Series, the author Conrad Schmitt devotes the whole of Chapter 7 to ser and estar. The second section is ORIGIN VERSUS LOCATION:
quote:
The verb ser (de) is used to express origin: where someone or something is from.
El seor Gonzlez es de Mxico.
Aquellos vinos son de Francia.
. . .
The verb estar is used to express location. Note that whether the location is permanent or temporary the verb estar is always used.
Carlos est ahora en Nueva York.
Madrid est en Espaa.


Both references confirm what we've been saying, that location and place of origin are two entirely different ideas. We could exhaust the rest of the month looking up every other Spanish language grammar, but all that would do would be to confirm what we already know.
Soy de Santa Ana. I am from Santa Ana, having been born and raised here. That is a permanent condition for me that will remain in effect regardless of my current location.
You could also say, "Los soldados son de los EE.UU.", even if some of the soldiers were originally born outside of the USA. This construction expresses origin, both ultimate and proximal.
Estoy en Santa Ana. Yes, I am in Santa Ana. And that is an entirely different idea than where I'm from.
Next, let us discuss how German's cases can change the meaning of a preposition; eg "I" "run" "in" "house":
Accusative: Ich laufe in das Haus.
Dative: Ich laufe in dem Haus.

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Message 555 of 1310 (766292)
08-16-2015 12:45 PM
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08-16-2015 12:19 PM


Thanks, I think I get it now.
I also had a little German in school but not enough to take on the problems of their cases.
That piece you posted by Mark Twain on the wretched German language was absolutely fall-on-the-floor hilarious though. Sad to think the Germans probably don't get it.

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