White Privilege

Terms like 'white privilege' or 'male privilege' are nonsense buzzwords invented by brain-dead sociologists to avoid having to do actual analyses or, even worse, think.

Are you sure of that?

In other words, you haven't a clue.

If folks want to talk about unequal employment opportunities and economic success, then perhaps we should be talking about 'Asian privilege':

I posted the graph not to point out anything 'salient' but to show how meaningless it is using terms like '[insert group name here] privilege'.Is preferential treatment for white men undoubtedly a reality in certain situations? Of course.Is this sufficient to explain the drastic difference between white and African American performance on many meaningful metrics related to quality of life?Probably not.

The chart shows that white males out-earn females from all groups; that Asian males out-earn males and females from all groups; that black females out-earn Hispanic males; etc.The chart shows exactly what it says it shows. A lot of things, many I've mentioned before. For example the traditional system of funding public education perpetuates income disparities by setting up children from poor neighborhoods with poor educations.

That goes both ways. Lot of white folk are scared to go into black neighborhoods.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

Looking around to find some different opinions on this, I stumbled on this fellow. I honestly don't even know what to quote, so I'm just gonna link to the whole thing:Jesse Lee Peterson: "'White Privilege' Is Not What Is Holding Blacks Back Today" from cnsnews.com

But about half the people participating in this thread are telling you that that's exactly what it means to them.When you are framing the discussion in a way that alienates even the people who agree with you, it's time to consider whether that one term is so important or whether it could be done away with to improve the flow of dialogue.Add to this the fact that the term is entirely meaningless, provokes no thought, and solves no problems and it really is a wonder why you're so damn attached to it.Can't you give it up for the sake of getting somewhere?

A source for what?I was just looking around for other opinions.

You care so little about the welfare of African Americans that you cannot give up your bimboisms so that you and people who agree with you can stop arguing about terminology and get to the issue of how to solve real problems. While you accuse everyone else of being petty, you yourself refuse to take the high road.It's clear to me, Rrhain, from your unwillingness to offer any suggestions anywhere (you've had two threads to do as much) that you aren't sincerely interested in improving the welfare of minorities in this country. You are so glued to the term 'white privilege' because you can use it exactly as Tangle accuses you of using it: as an accusatory slur. Going around calling other people racists may help you sleep at night with dreams of holier-than-thou self-righteousness, but it doesn't get African Americans out of prison; it doesn't keep bullets out of bodies; it doesn't put kids in school.I've started a new thread for anyone who honestly cares about this subject: Improving the Welfare of Minorities - Slogans Not AllowedReal problems need real solutions; not you and your white bashing.

Whatever, Rrhain. If all you care about is uncovering imaginary racism in everyone who disagrees with you, then there's little reason for us to continue with this topic.I have another thread; anyone who actually cares about other people is free to jump in and offer some suggestions for making things better.

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"SAT Scores Drop" from IHE:

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Combined SAT Score, and Changes Since 2006, by Race/Ethnicity

Group	Combined Score 2015	Change Since 2006
American Indian	1423	-27
Asian-American	1654	+54
Black	1277	-14
Mexican-American	1343	-28
Puerto Rican	1347	-16
Other Hispanic	1345	-26
White	1576	-6

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Some people will believe anything they're told.Instead of trying to kill us with laughter, why don't you just investigate your silliness before posting about it?If you did, you'd see that on an interaction-by-interaction basis, it is white people who are more likely to be shot by police; and that by and large the biggest group killing young black men is other young black men. There was nothing emotional there. In fact, I only see emotion coming from folks like you who insist on finding 'racism' everywhere it may not exist just to assuage their white guilt.

The evidence you presented is stupid. It's nothing but cherry-picked numbers judged against irrelevant scales (percentage of U.S. population? WTF? Do you realize that only matters if we think police should be going around shooting people at random and for no cause?).This is really simple stuff, but your dogged determination to soothe your white guilt is blinding you to other-wise obvious facts.

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"Police Kill More Whites Than Blacks..." from The Washington Times:

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Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races.

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His results, posted last week on his blog Cop in the Hood, arrived with several caveats, notably that 25 percent of the website’s data, which is drawn largely from news reports, failed to show the race of the person killed.

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Killed by Police lists every death, justified or not, including those in which the officer had been wounded or acted in self-defense.

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"The data doesn’t indicate which shootings are justified (the vast majority) and which are cold-blooded murder (not many, but some). And maybe that would vary by race. I don’t know, but I doubt it," Mr. Moskos said on his blog.

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Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

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"If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks," said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book "Cop in the Hood."

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Not that it matters one way or the other, because being killed by a police officer, especially for a law-abiding citizen, is far more rare than being killed by a criminal, and amongst black people those criminals are typically black.So any black person walking down the street fearing for his life at the hands of police is delusionally paranoid, and likely just another victim of the fearmongering tactics of the mainstream media (which exists to make money, not actually inform people; and fear sells). Then what is that bias? And how does it 'structurally favor whites'?Really it's just a test. Anyone can do well or poor on it regardless the color of their skin.

And what you're establishing is irrelevant without looking further into the situations that lead to those arrests or how many arrests there are.You can't use a calculator to find racism. There's nothing to refute except the conclusions your drawing from the data.The BJS information is fine; it is you who are cherry-picking it and ignoring other relevant factors to get it to conform to your narrative of "racism keeping the black man down".If you bothered to look at the information, you'd see the numbers are almost identical.It's the conclusions that differ. And they differ precisely because one conclusion includes all relevant information (overall arrest rates and circumstances of the arrest) while the other ignores as much of it as possible to focus on a single, not-so-interesting difference that alone tells us nothing in hopes of winning the 'spot the bigot' game and being awarded the Clear Your White Guilt prize. Do you have any evidence of that?Or just a selective list of lame calculator tricks? There is no fundamental difference between white people and black people.You do know that, right?