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Author Topic:   There is no evolution or creationism - this is the new Matrix/DNA world view
ICANT
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Message 125 of 149 (766378)
08-17-2015 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by NoNukes
08-12-2015 2:37 AM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi NoNukes,

NoNukes writes:

Seriously ICANT, this has got to be one of the lamest arguments every made.

You mean asking if the DNA in each cell contained all the information to build a human body and how information can be added to that DNA is an argument. I thought it was a question.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 133 of 149 (766435)
08-18-2015 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Tangle
08-17-2015 4:54 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi Tangle,

Tangle writes:

Nope. New species do not suddenly appear nor is the fossil record a tape recording of history, it's a few snapshots taken millions of years apart.

So you have absolutely no evidence that evolution has taken place.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 135 of 149 (766439)
08-18-2015 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by New Cat's Eye
08-17-2015 3:57 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi Cat,

Cat writes:

You're basically asking how you can know that your fingernails are growing when they're the same length as they were last night - well, yeah, you're gonna have to wait more than 8 hours to notice.

My fingernails are longer now at 12:00 o'clock than they were at 8:00 AM when I ate breakfast.

Cat writes:

How complete are you looking for? Horses, whales, and humans all have a great record of the process, but its never going to be totally complete.

The horse record that RAZD has trotted out so many times has been proven to be incorrect.

Can you point me to the Whales you are referring too?

Now as far as humans the latest jaw that was found dates to 2.8 million years which would probably mean that there were humans when Lucy was here. Just food for thought.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 137 of 149 (766443)
08-18-2015 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Taq
08-17-2015 4:19 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi Taq,
Taq writes:

Sperm and egg cells do not have all the information needed to build a human body. When they combine to create a new genome, they create a genome that has never existed before. If you want to call it a wolf, Chihuahua, human, or whatever, that is up to you. What is important is that this organism with this genome has never existed before.

Taking the human sperm and egg of which each has 23 different chromosomes making a total of 46 chromosomes when they are combined you have a human, and you can never take those 46 chromosomes and produce anything other than a human. Some can be deformed in different ways but they are still human beings.

Taq writes:

When you compare individuals that lived millions of years apart there may very well be differences between them.

I liked the way you parsed your words 'may very well be' differences between them and there may not be differences. But I am inclined to believe there would be differences as their diet would be different and their living conditions would be different.

Taq writes:

When does someone go from young to old? When does a young man go from being short to being tall? Skinny to fat, and maybe back to skinny? These are spectrums, just as evolutionary change is.

The day you are born you begin to die.
The Dna information in the cells will control your growth. It will not make you go from fat to skinny that is controlled by you and the input of food into your system.

But a human getting old and creped and dying is only change to that human body and will never cause it to be or produce anything but a human body with joining of sperm of a human male and the egg of a human female.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 139 of 149 (766448)
08-18-2015 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Taq
08-17-2015 4:41 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi Taq,

Taq writes:

The accumulation of mutations over time causes species to be different through time.

Yes,

I took a wild hog and bred him with a polen china sow.
I took one of their offspring and bred him to a duroc sow.
I took one of their offspring and bred him to a polen china sow from a different line tham the first one.
With each breeding the offspring got bigger and bigger.
After 10 such selective breeding's the offspring was weighing between 900 and 1000 lbs. But everyone of them was hogs.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 140 of 149 (766451)
08-18-2015 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by NoNukes
08-17-2015 8:57 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi NoNukes,

NoNukes writes:

I think you meant to say that you were spraying succeeding generations of worms. If so my question to you is what type of analysis of the worms did you do that allows you to tell us that the immune worms do not continue new information in their DNA that their ancestors did not have. How would you recognize new information and distinguish that from a beneficial mutation that did not add new information?

They contained no more information than they had already because after several generation being treated with different poison's and them becoming immune to them and after doing this with 6 or 7 different chemicals you could go back to the first chemical you used and it would kill them just as easy as it did in the beginning. This means they had reverted back to where they were in the beginning.

So they had the ability to change their immune systems from the beginning.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 141 of 149 (766454)
08-18-2015 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by ringo
08-18-2015 12:12 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi Ringo,

Ringo writes:

You're saying that I have absolutely no evidence that I drove from Atlantic to Pacific.

No, you don't.

You have positive evidence that you were in each city with the same car.

You could have took the auto train and got off and spent a few days in each town.

OR you could have took a cargo plane and flew to each city and took your pictures.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 144 of 149 (766466)
08-18-2015 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by New Cat's Eye
08-18-2015 12:40 PM


Re: To Dr Adequate
Hi Cat,

Cat writes:

No it hasn't.

quote:
Popular presentations that suggest a simple, gradual, and progressive straight-line of evolution from Hyracotherium to Equus are not supported by the actual fossil data. Most evolutionary scientists now acknowledge that this is the case. For instance, Soper (1997 p.890), in Biological Science, writes:

As to the whales the artist was pretty good.

God Bless,

"The history of the horse does not show a gradual transition regularly spaced in time and locality, and neither is the fossil record totally complete".


http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/.../55-horse-evolution.html

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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