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Tangle
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Message 136 of 276 (767269)
08-27-2015 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by ringo
08-27-2015 12:24 PM


Re: some privilege
Ringo writes:
It's a privilege to be able to walk.
{sigh} something normally available to all can not be a privilege.
Definition of privilege in English:
noun
A special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group:
education is a right, not a privilege
[MASS NOUN]: he has been accustomed all his life to wealth and privilege

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
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Message 137 of 276 (767271)
08-27-2015 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Tangle
08-27-2015 1:14 PM


Re: some privilege
Tangle writes:
something normally available to all can not be a privilege.
The ability to walk is certainly an advantage "granted" to a particular group.
Education is also an advantage granted to a particular group - which illustrates why dictionary definitions are not a useful argument.

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Tangle
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Message 138 of 276 (767272)
08-27-2015 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by ringo
08-27-2015 1:21 PM


Re: some privilege
Ringo writes:
dictionary definitions are not a useful argument.
...particularly when they prove you to be dead flat wrong.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Rrhain
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Message 139 of 276 (767302)
08-28-2015 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Jon
08-27-2015 7:18 AM


...
Edited by Rrhain, : Got posted twice somehow.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 140 of 276 (767303)
08-28-2015 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Jon
08-27-2015 7:18 AM


Re: Another Perspective
Jon responds to me:
quote:
A source for what?
I was just looking around for other opinions.
You went to a known racist, sexist, homophobic source looking for an "other opinion" about discrimination.
And you didn't think you were going to get called out on it?
Would you go to Answers in Genesis for an "other opinion" about evolution? The Discovery Institute? Did you even bother to read what you referenced?
The fact that there are "other opinions" out there doesn't mean they are worth anything. You can't be that naive, can you?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 141 of 276 (767304)
08-28-2015 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by Jon
08-27-2015 7:54 AM


Re: are we having a misunderstanding?
Jon responds to me:
quote:
You care so little about the welfare of African Americans that you cannot give up your bimboisms so that you and people who agree with you can stop arguing about terminology and get to the issue of how to solve real problems. While you accuse everyone else of being petty, you yourself refuse to take the high road.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, that is just so precious. The irony is strong in you. You who have dismissed an entire movement who is actually working to improve the lives of black people all because you saw two people who weren't even connected to that movement do something that you didn't like, holding black people to an impossible standard, complaining about the terminology they used to express their life experience and you have the gall to complain that I am somehow the one at fault.
You go to a site that is a cesspool of racism as a source of an "other opinion" about discrimination and you complain that you get called out on it?
You are so glued to the term "white privilege" because you can't get past the fact that the people who came up with the concept and are fighting against it don't actually use it the way you wish they would. Going around pretending that you are somehow "above it" may help you sleep at night with dreams of holier-than-thou righteousness, but it doesn't get black people out of prison; it doesn't keep bullets out of bodies; it doesn't put kids in school.
I looked at your new thread. You don't seem to have noticed that your first graph is immediately contradicted by your second graph. You don't seem to have noticed that black fathers are actually more involved and yet blacks still have worse outcomes. You have neglected to account for the systemic racism that puts black people into a position of having a broken home and then blame them for being in that situation.
Of course, that falls into the gender essentialism falsehood that somehow it's the presence of a male parent that is the contributing factor.
Fake response to real problems, typical racism.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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ringo
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Message 142 of 276 (767328)
08-28-2015 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by Tangle
08-27-2015 1:32 PM


Re: some privilege
Tangle writes:
ringo writes:
dictionary definitions are not a useful argument.
...particularly when they prove you to be dead flat wrong.
As I pointed out, YOUR dictionary definition agrees with ME.

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Tangle
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Message 143 of 276 (767352)
08-28-2015 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by ringo
08-28-2015 11:40 AM


Re: some privilege
Cockwomble

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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ringo
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Message 144 of 276 (767439)
08-29-2015 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Tangle
08-28-2015 2:18 PM


Re: some privilege
Tangle writes:
Cockwomble
That's the most sensible thing you've said in this thread - but you left out the dictionary definition.

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Tangle
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Message 145 of 276 (767442)
08-29-2015 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by ringo
08-29-2015 12:08 PM


Re: some privilege
Ringo writes:
you left out the dictionary definition.
I'm impressed by your self-knowledge ;-) As requested:
Male-directed insult. Also describes the tendency to rummage in your underwear massaging ones genitals as if looking for litter to pick up (hence womble )
An overly officious oaf or spiteful person.
Someone who takes great delight in the misery of others by being deliberately obtuse and ignorant.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Jon
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Message 146 of 276 (767443)
08-29-2015 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Rrhain
08-28-2015 2:49 AM


Re: are we having a misunderstanding?
Whatever, Rrhain. If all you care about is uncovering imaginary racism in everyone who disagrees with you, then there's little reason for us to continue with this topic.
I have another thread; anyone who actually cares about other people is free to jump in and offer some suggestions for making things better.

Love your enemies!

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ringo
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Message 147 of 276 (767445)
08-29-2015 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Tangle
08-29-2015 12:38 PM


Re: some privilege
Tangle writes:
Someone who takes great delight in the misery of others by being deliberately obtuse and ignorant.
Since you're the only one in the thread who's ignorant of the meaning of "privilege", you seem to be shooting yourself in the foot again.

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Tangle
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Message 148 of 276 (767466)
08-29-2015 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by ringo
08-29-2015 12:44 PM


Re: some privilege
Right, so it's a privilege to have two legs.
How about oxygen, is it a privelge to be able to breath?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 149 of 276 (767478)
08-29-2015 3:56 PM


Cooldown
Closing for now. Our members are harping at each other. I'll let this cool down and may open later if requests warrant.
Add by Edit: Reopened, due to PM request by Hyroglyphx
Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.
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Message 150 of 276 (778634)
02-22-2016 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by AZPaul3
08-19-2015 10:04 PM


Fairness vs Privilege
White privilege is NOT meant as a positive to whites but as the description of a major problem in our society. As with any problem, the first step to correcting it is to acknowledge it is there, that it exists.
OK. I can acknowledge that it exists. The problem is how to correct it without hurting anyone. Lets say, for example, that I had a superior education and that I was not poor. I apply for a job based on my education,experience, and skills. If I am seriously considered fully equal with all other candidates, that to me is fair. If, on the other hand, I am excluded based on quota hiring in favor of minorities or females I will cry foul. Hurting me is not the way to help others.(Granted I can also see the point of view of a minority that they be equally considered based on their skills and merit. )
White privilege in this society is not some wrong-headed anachronism foisted by egghead liberals onto the political scene but is a reality on the ground that needs to be acknowledged and changed if all peoples are to share, as equals, in the benefits of our society.
The key issue is how the change will be fairly implemented. I can say right now that quota hiring and reverse discrimination are not valid solutions. Any other suggestions?
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Edited by Phat, : added explanation

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