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Author | Topic: Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: There is no evil in heaven. How could you possibly know that? This is yet another situation where if I say 'yes there is' it's game over for discussion.
A war was fought and evil got thrown out. How can there be a war in heaven? It defies the meaning of both heaven and an all powerful God. What is the purpose of God making angels with the atributes of humans? And if it was possible for angels to rebel once (time is a crazy concept in itself) then it's possible again. Can't you see that this is just made up, anthropomorphic stuff for primitive people and children?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
But it isn't. There's nothing in the wording that suggests perfection. It's about making the best of a bad situation. I merely point out that it's worded in a way that expresses perfect justice. YOUR view of it has some obvious imperfections. Taking an eye for an eye makes no allowance for errors - you can't un-execute somebody who's wrongfully convicted. And it does nothing to compensate the victim. So no, not "perfect" by any stretch of the imagination.
Faith writes:
He talked about an eye for an eye in the same breath as turning the other cheek. He clearly considered the two systems to be parallel.
Jesus came for a completely different purpose than to tell states how to run their criminal justice system.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Sounds like an infomercial: "Removes stains INSTANTLY!" There is no evil in heaven. A war was fought and evil got thrown out. The product is seldom as perfect as the hype.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How can it be so hard to get what I'm saying? This is not about other people's sins. This is about Christians being required by the law to act in a way that violates God's commandments to US. What the homosexuals are doing is not the problem, it's what WE are asked to do by this law that is the problem. WE are being asked to treat gay marriage as valid. That violates God's law. We are not being asked to validate Hinduism. You are being asked to treat Hindu marriages as valid too, even though they're conducted by heathen priests in the name of false gods before pagan idols as condemned in the First Commandment. No-one has objected to this, possibly 'cos of not hating Hindus so much as they hate gay people.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I don't get anywhere near the heavy stuff of Revelation you list before I'm overcome with grief. It almost makes you wish, doesn't it, that God had thought up some nice way for the world to end? Being supplied with infinite quantities of love and mercy, he might actually have used some of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There is no problem with heathen marriages. They are as valid as any other marriage. The requirement is one man, one woman, period.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So idolatry, which is specified in the Ten Commandments, is okay but homosexuality, which is not specified in the Ten Commandments, is not? Curiouser and curiouser.
There is no problem with heathen marriages.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It almost makes you wish, doesn't it, that God had thought up some nice way for the world to end? Being supplied with infinite quantities of love and mercy, he might actually have used some of it. No. It hurts to see the world go so bad such an end is necessary, especially formerly Christian nations. It doesn't make me welcome the end, it makes me sad, just as sad about people hating God so much they deserve it as about the end itself. There is and always has been a solution. What's sad is that so many refuse it, mock and scorn it. There is nothing happy about any of this.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
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RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I guess you've never heard a good sermon series on the Ten Commandments. Homosexuality is condemned under Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Faith
Did God commit adultery when he cuckolded Joseph? Did God also break his coveting commandment when coveting Mary? RegardsDL
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's as stpid and blasphemous as the Mormons idea God is human and begot Jesus in the normal human way. Also as stpid and blasphemous as the Muslim objection that God couldn't have a son because he's not human.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 274 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Faith
Calling it blasphemy does not take away the fact that God had to covet Mary or he would not have cuckolded Joseph. It is not I who hints at bestiality as well but biology. God is one species and humans another. That is bestiality. If anyone should be condemned it is your God for bestiality and giving us a poor example by becoming a deadbeat dad and abandoning Jesus, eh, himself, sort of. RegardsDL
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Homosexuality is condemned under Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. No.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
No. It hurts to see the world go so bad such an end is necessary, especially formerly Christian nations. It doesn't make me welcome the end, it makes me sad, just as sad about people hating God so much they deserve it as about the end itself. There is and always has been a solution. What's sad is that so many refuse it, mock and scorn it. There is nothing happy about any of this. Yeah, the divine plan sucks.
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