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ringo
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Message 266 of 451 (765753)
08-05-2015 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by NoNukes
08-05-2015 3:48 AM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
NoNukes writes:
The methods above might be more or less reliable than simply catching people leaving a church.
Your Big Brother methods would involve a lot of work. Authoritarians are interested in suppressing subversives and the easiest way to suppress subversives is by suppressing subversive organizations. Unorganized subversives aren't that much of a threat.

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ringo
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Message 268 of 451 (765817)
08-06-2015 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by NoNukes
08-05-2015 5:22 PM


Re: Goal post shifting, double standard BS...
NoNukes writes:
But of course if all you are really trying to do is shift the goal posts from impossible to impractical, then you have a perfectly great ringo argument....
I have no idea what you think you're disagreeing with. Could you be more clear?

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ringo
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Message 272 of 451 (765879)
08-07-2015 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
08-06-2015 4:49 PM


Re: God preferences
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
I'd be impressed if God was communing with you and telling you his prophet was Mohammed.
Whats so unimpressive about Jesus?
You miss my point. I'm saying I'd be impressed if the message that God was whispering in your ear was different from the one that's been pelting you from every direction since you were born.

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ringo
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Message 273 of 451 (765880)
08-07-2015 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Phat
08-06-2015 8:21 PM


Re: So yet another definition tossed out for consideration
Phat writes:
... all of the antagonistic sentiment against the NT....
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I respect the New Testament more than you do. That's why I look for the gospel in the gospels instead of in Paul's commentary on the gospels.
Phat writes:
In response to the questions of "How do you know its...." the answer is always "By Faith".
You can't know by faith. You can only believe by faith. If you don't know something, just admit it. Don't try to equate knowledge with belief.

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ringo
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Message 276 of 451 (766436)
08-18-2015 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Phat
08-18-2015 12:43 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Phat writes:
Paul's words are as inspired as Jesus words.
Sez you. How are you measuring inspiration?
Phat writes:
One way to get an idea of what Christianity is is to go back in time and take examples from some respected Theologians of the past.
One of the best was a man named Oswald Chambers.
Maybe you should take your own advice and take more than one example.
But none of what you said addresses what I posted and you quoted: The gospel is in the gospels, purportedly in the words of Jesus Himself - who according to YOUR theology is God Himself, who ought to know what He's talking about. Paul wrote commentaries on the gospel; he was not God, so his words automatically have less value; they're second-hand. Oswald Chambers, et al., wrote commentaries on commentaries; their words are third hand.
It never fails to amuse me how you believers are so eager to throw out what Jesus said.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 278 of 451 (767036)
08-25-2015 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Phat
08-25-2015 12:30 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Phat writes:
And who were His audience? Whom was He sent for?
Everybody. You think He's talking to you, don't you?
Phat writes:
We can speculate what the message would have been had Jesus spoken to the gentiles...as paul did. Only those with great faith...an ear to hear, as it were...would receive the message.
Why on earth would we speculate that? I can just as easily speculate that Jesus would have given the same message to the Gentiles that He gave to the Jews. Why wouldn't He?
Phat writes:
The message is the same today, but with progressive revelation. We no longer stone adulterers and homosexuals,for example.
And yet it's the fundamentalists who agree with you about "the message" who DO still want to stone homosexuals today - if not with real stones, then by refusing to bake wedding cakes.
Phat writes:
There is a right way and a wrong way to do good works. It is always by faith. Granted actions speak louder than words and works are evidence of faith.
So the people who DO the good works are the ones who HAVE faith, not the ones who merely profess faith. It has nothing to do with "awareness of who He is" or "working through us". It's about what you DO.

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ringo
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Message 280 of 451 (767137)
08-26-2015 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Phat
08-26-2015 1:14 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Phat writes:
And yet didnt you once say that the message is more important than the messenger? IF what you say can be considered as possibly true, Jesus, Paul, and Oswald Chambers all ought to be judged by their words. Paul never contradicted Jesus, by the way.
It doesn't have to be a flat-out contradiction. Any change in focus is a change in the message and Paul certainly changed the focus. If you want "the real message", why are you so opposed to going to the original instead of Paul's paraphrase?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 284 of 451 (767546)
08-30-2015 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 9:04 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Straightshot writes:
The man who doubts knows little
quote:
1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Actually, the man who swallows hooks, lines and sinkers without testing them knows little.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 286 of 451 (767557)
08-30-2015 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 3:29 PM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Straightshot writes:
Packing it into your brain would be fitting .....
You clicked the wrong reply button again. My post was not about bollox, it was about your ignorance of ignorance.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 289 of 451 (767566)
08-30-2015 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 3:45 PM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Straightshot writes:
Who is ignorant? .... tell me who is ignorant
The guy who keeps clicking on the wrong Reply button is ignorant of how the forum works. You clicked on my message and replied to Tangle's, so I get the notification and Tangle doesn't. You made the same mistake when you clicked on your own message to reply to me.
This forum has excellent software and it's worth learning to use it properly.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 290 of 451 (767567)
08-30-2015 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 3:42 PM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Straightshot writes:
Well that is a biblical fact ringo ..... good thinking .... or did you misfire? [2 Peter 1:16-21; 2:1-3; 1 John 4:1; 1 Timothy 6:20; 2 Timothy 4:3; 2 John 1:7; Revelation 22:18-19; John 8:44; 2 Peter 2:1-10]
You seem to have misfired because you ignored the text that I quoted:
quote:
1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Test all things.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 292 of 451 (767642)
08-31-2015 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 4:06 PM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Starightshot writes:
Actually, you are being tested
And so are you.
Paul told the Thessalonians to test all things. Do you think you're doing that?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 295 of 451 (767729)
09-01-2015 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by Straightshot
09-01-2015 7:34 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Straightshot writes:
I have tested you....
You don't get to test me:
quote:
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 298 of 451 (775252)
12-30-2015 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Phat
12-30-2015 8:46 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Phat writes:
IF all writings...messages...were written by men, what makes the first one any better than the second or the third?
The possibility of copying errors, the possibility of misunderstanding on the part of the copyists, the possibility of downright malicious intent to deceive on the part of the copyists.... Shall I go on?
Phat writes:
Its just as easy to believe that one author writes inspired words from God as it is to believe that Jesus is Gods spokesman....
It isn't about what's easy to believe. It's about what's more likely to be true.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 308 of 451 (775506)
01-02-2016 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Bob Bobber
12-31-2015 2:55 AM


Re: Its Not What You Do. Its Who He Is
Bob Bobber writes:
God purchased the human race out of sins dominion, never to be returned to the market place of sin again.
Who was it that put us up for sale in the first place?
Bob Bobber writes:
To say your works have anything at all to do with God’s gift declaration of righteousness is to slap the giver in the face.
Well, Jesus said it:
quote:
Matthew 25:34-40 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
The ones who inherit the kingdom are clearly those who do good works.
If Jesus' death was more important than His words, why did He say anything at all? Why didn't he just come to earth and die?

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