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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Interesting. I'm surprised I didn't anticipate her doing this. I have to suppose she will be arrested, that will probably be the next event. I'd like to be surprised on that too of course.
But you are quite wrong in thinking God would require her to keep her oath. In the Book of Acts (4:19, 5:29) the apostles who have been preaching Christ are told by the Jewish authorities to stop doing it, and their answer is that they ought to obey God rather than man. An oath that violates God's law must not be kept, just as the SCOTUS ruling itself must not be obeyed because it violates God's law. God has no problem with this woman's decision. The state may, in which case she'll no doubt be punished, but she is certainly not out of line with respect to God. Interesting though. I await further developments. ABE: Getting this into better perspective, perhaps, it needs to be recognized that this was a request for a stay while she makes an appeal, not some kind of final decision. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yes there is. You can lobby against the problem instead of for it. You can be part of the solution instead of the problem.
There's nothing I can do about wrong executions. Faith writes:
Of course they do. If there's a chance of making a mistake you don't do what you can't undo. You don't burn your bridges if you might have to go back.
Mistakes don't invalidate the principle of the death penalty.
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If my job required me to do something that I thought was unethical, then I would quit my job. I respect that, because it isn't always easy to walk away from provision. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Jesus was the revisionist:
Oh how you revisionists love criminals.quote:No doubt there are people on death row praying for you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I guess I could devote the rest of my life to helping those who are working to set wrongly convicted people free. I applaud their work but I have other things to do with the rest of my life.
However, the point I was making is that the death penalty is the right sentence for some crimes, and that doesn't change because of judicial mistakes in determining who deserves it. These are separate issues. You don't change the law because people misapply it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You again distort Jesus' teaching. He doesn't address anything that has to do with the criminal justice system, He is addressing individuals about how we are to deal with personal injustices against ourselves.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The least you could do to follow Jesus' teaching is stop contradicting Him. What you probably SHOULD do, if you were an honest Christian, is speak out as He did:
I guess I could devote the rest of my life to helping those who are working to set wrongly convicted people free.quote:What you SHOULD do is stop mangling the Bible. Faith writes:
You made that point just fine but it's patently wrong, both logically and Biblically.
However, the point I was making is that the death penalty is the right sentence for some crimes, and that doesn't change because of judicial mistakes in determining who deserves it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Nonsense. An eye for an eye was an integral part of the Hebrew justice system. It had nothing to do with individual behaviour.
He doesn't address anything that has to do with the criminal justice system....
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually it did back in tribal times. It was intended to correct the excesses of vigilante justice. In any case it's clear that people continued to use that formula in dealing with their private injuries and that is what Jesus was preaching to. It's clear He's addressing individuals no matter what the context anyway. Jesus had no reason to preach to nations and states, He was collecting individuals to make up His church.
Applying His teaching to the criminal justice system is so beyond absurd you have to just not be thinking. Sheer nonsense, ringo, a huge waste of time. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
WHAT? Your suggesting that we should just ignore the context and accept your (per)version?
It's clear He's addressing individuals no matter what the context anyway. Faith writes:
I didn't say He was preaching to nations. But as an individual who DOES have some influence over your nation's decisions, you are obligated to extend that teaching to your nation.
Jesus had no reason to preach to nations and states.... Faith writes:
I'm quoting what Jesus said. You can call that nonsense if you like.
Applying His teaching to the criminal justice system is so beyond absurd you have to just not be thinking.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2394 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
In my mind, she is simply obeying her God. In her post I was replying to, Faith made a clear distinction between obeying god (by resigning or denying the license) and the salary. She also described the choice as painful meaning that she thinks it's hard to choose between a few years of material comfort and an eternity in heaven. I was only asking what was her price. At what point does it go from easy to difficult to choose?
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If my job required me to do something that I thought was unethical, then I would quit my job. I respect that, because it isn't always easy to walk away from provision. And it isn't always hard to do something that you think is unethical.
Especially, when it hurts exactly nobody... and is actually helping some people. And coupled with the fact that you can just tell your god that you're only performing the duty because you have to for your job, and that you are in no way endorsing something against his laws, then there is absolutely no reason at all for you to try to keep your job and also not perform the duty.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Interesting. I'm surprised I didn't anticipate her doing this. I have to suppose she will be arrested ... "Arrested"? Sacked, surely? I'm fairly sure that that's what happens when you refuse to do the job you're paid for.
God has no problem with this woman's decision. I'm always happy when you give us up-to-date information on what God's thinking. Has there been any change in his position on usury?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why isn't there some recognition of the fact that she had the job before the law came down? That's some kind of fraud or entrapment I would think, something that ought to be prosecuted in itself.
I quoted scripture to show that she's in God's favor in making this decision, nothing new about it. It's the decision Christians have made since the beginning, that has brought the wrath of the pagan state against us. We choose God over the worship of Caesar and get eaten by lions. We choose the Bible over the traditions of the RCC and get tortured and massacred by the Inquisition. Tyndale got burnt at the stake for daring to translate the Bible into English against the teachings of the RCC that only priests could read it and only in Latin. Finally it's coming to America, that's all.
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Bliyaal Member (Idle past 2394 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: |
Why isn't there some recognition of the fact that she had the job before the law came down? Because the law didn't change. The SCOTUS only made clear what the constitution says. Not a letter of it changed. Anyway, her job depends on laws. Laws change and new laws are passed all the time. She knew that before taking the oath. No entrapment or fraud there.
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