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Author Topic:   Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer?
Greatest I am
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Message 16 of 144 (767759)
09-01-2015 3:41 PM
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09-01-2015 2:08 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Tangle
That is what I have in statistics.
I did watch a few programs and some are calling it an epidemic.
The net has quite a lot on the issue but I have not collected any other stats.
Regards
DL

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Message 17 of 144 (767760)
09-01-2015 3:43 PM
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09-01-2015 3:03 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Coyote
Training!
Did you listen to the "training" that young men are training themselves for?
Money shots and what not.
I am so glad I am not young.
Regards
DL

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Message 18 of 144 (767764)
09-01-2015 4:38 PM


Free Porn
There does seem to be a lot of crap on the internet, but my understanding is that most porn sites are not free. I don't know how many kids have credit cards, but I don't expect very many are going to be willing to pay very much for porn.
The biggest victims of porn are children and those who are powerless that are being exploited to produce it.
It seems unlikely that the U.S. or any other country could actually censor the WWW (World Wide Web). How would you stop free citizens from looking at web sites in other countries?
The only people who can stop kids from accessing porn on the web are their parents. I wonder how much my grandson sees on his computer at home, (he built his own) and there is no way to control what he sees when he is at someone else's house.
Parents can explain to their kids about pornography....that it is not a reflection of real life sex and how it is exploitive of the people in it, but parents should be putting everything on the web in perspective for their kids.
You do your best to give your kids a set of values, but eventually they will grow up and make their own decisions.

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Message 19 of 144 (767766)
09-01-2015 5:55 PM
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09-01-2015 3:41 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
GIA writes:
That is what I have in statistics.
But that's nothing like this
I showed that as high as 50% of children between 12 and 25 are being affected to the point of dysfunction and addiction
And this
I did watch a few programs and some are calling it an epidemic
'Some' would, but that's not particularly useful. I've no doubt that a lot of kids watch porn but I'd like to know more before calling it a highly damaging epidemic

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Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 20 of 144 (767767)
09-01-2015 6:04 PM
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09-01-2015 3:43 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Training!
Did you listen to the "training" that young men are training themselves for?
Money shots and what not.
I am so glad I am not young.
And without a sense of humor, possibly.
I thought it was a half-way decent jest.

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Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Message 21 of 144 (767768)
09-01-2015 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Tanypteryx
09-01-2015 4:38 PM


Re: Free Porn
... but my understanding is that most porn sites are not free.
Your understanding is wrong.
The biggest victims of porn are children and those who are powerless that are being exploited to produce it.
= very few people; a small percentage of those who actually appear in pornographic images/videos/other content.
It seems unlikely that the U.S. or any other country could actually censor the WWW (World Wide Web). How would you stop free citizens from looking at web sites in other countries?
The Chinese do it and it's not really that hard. If the signal you're sending/receiving ever hits a physical location within the boarders of your country, then your government can censor what you view online.
A direct satellite connection might help you work around this, but even with that your access would be limited.
...that it is not a reflection of real life sex and how it is exploitive of the people in it
So they should lie to their kids?

Love your enemies!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 22 of 144 (767770)
09-01-2015 7:31 PM
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09-01-2015 6:43 PM


Re: Free Porn
I don't think you know what you are talking about.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 23 of 144 (767771)
09-01-2015 8:07 PM
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09-01-2015 7:31 PM


Re: Free Porn
And I think you need to crawl out from under that rock you got over your head.

Love your enemies!

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Tanypteryx
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Message 24 of 144 (767772)
09-01-2015 8:12 PM
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09-01-2015 8:07 PM


Re: Free Porn
Thanks for the advice.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 25 of 144 (767780)
09-01-2015 10:12 PM


This internet porn thing is reminiscent of the warnings we had and ignored about that evil swivel-hips Elvis character and his demon cohort Buddy Holly. They not only ruined the moral fabric of an entire generation of American youth they set the stage for the free-love hippy demon-morality generations to come totally destroying the very underpinnings of moral American society.
As a consequence we ended up with a totally screwed up society just like all the others in generations past ... but with better music.

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Message 26 of 144 (767781)
09-01-2015 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Tanypteryx
09-01-2015 4:38 PM


Re: Free Porn
There does seem to be a lot of crap on the internet, but my understanding is that most porn sites are not free. I don't know how many kids have credit cards, but I don't expect very many are going to be willing to pay very much for porn.
Maybe Jon is right. Nah.
But, you do need to get out more. Three of the biggest most popular porn sites on the net are free and they contain, so I'm told ... by other people, so many "categories" as to keep a dedicated 10-year old enthralled until he gets out of high school.
The biggest victims of porn are children and those who are powerless that are being exploited to produce it.
That continues, in spades, I'm sure. The most interesting thing to my eyes mind is the literally tens of thousands of young ladies and old ladies and young couples and old couples who upload their cell phone videos to these places unpaid, unexploited. The porn producers have got to be pissed that sooo much good stuff is being produced outside their business model.
It's a human thing and there is no stopping it.
...but parents should be putting everything on the web in perspective for their kids.
You do your best to give your kids a set of values, but eventually they will grow up and make their own decisions.
So true.

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Message 27 of 144 (767792)
09-02-2015 7:53 AM
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09-01-2015 10:47 PM


Re: Free Porn
so I'm told
Why rely on what you're told?
Just do a simple experiment.
I googled 'porn' (does it get simpler than that?)
The first five links (so I didn't have to scroll) all went to free porn video websites. It appears each one contains enough material that one could watch the videos non-stop 24/7 back to back and still not see them all in their lifetimefor each site!
Seeing this, I can imagine only an idiot would pay for their porn. And given how easy it was to find, I cannot imagine many children are having difficulty so long as their browsing is not restricted through some sort of filter.

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Greatest I am
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Message 28 of 144 (767797)
09-02-2015 9:18 AM
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09-01-2015 4:38 PM


Re: Free Porn
Tanypteryx
Intelligent reply. Thanks.
Censorship is relatively easy. Try to find any child porn and see how hard it is.
You might review that first link as the expert speaks of how most parents are not teaching children about sex or porn.
Even if all parents were qualified to do that teaching, a % of kids will always ignore the warnings.
Censorship or restricted access is what is required and we do not have that. We could easily have it but adults are self-centered and do not care about the welfare of our children if it is to cost them one of their pleasures, it seems.
Regards
DL

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Message 29 of 144 (767798)
09-02-2015 9:23 AM
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09-01-2015 5:55 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Tangle
Understood. You have access to the greatest education tool yet devised just as I do.
Gary Wilson indicated that because of the newness of research, statistics were hard to come by but the net is providing more and more on this issue daily and hopefully better statistics will pop up.
At present we have a lot of workers in the sex dysfunction field and they are the ones calling it an epidemic.
News agencies are as well but are not quoting stats.
Regards
DL

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Message 30 of 144 (767799)
09-02-2015 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Coyote
09-01-2015 6:04 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Coyote
No argument.
I do not find this issue an amusing one and am not in that mindset when discussing it.
Regards
DL

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