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Author Topic:   Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer?
JonF
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Message 46 of 144 (767833)
09-02-2015 2:34 PM
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09-02-2015 11:45 AM


Re: Free Porn
I googled a woman's name once (it wasn't "Candy" but it was something like that) and most of the hits were porn.
At a former job we were looking for really flat and thin pieces of aluminum 30 mm diameter. My boss said that when he was doing computer tape drives, there was a process to flatten sheet metal.
He said I should search the Web for it. He was pretty sure it was called "spanking".
I never found the process, but boy did I find sites.

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AZPaul3
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Message 47 of 144 (767835)
09-02-2015 2:58 PM
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09-02-2015 2:23 PM


Re: Free Porn
So the only link between porn and bad behavior is that so many kids engage in both.
Sounds just like when we were kids.
I lucked out and ended up just like Tanypteryx
There you have it. All that porn as a kid led you to chasing bugs with a camera.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 48 of 144 (767840)
09-02-2015 3:35 PM
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09-02-2015 2:58 PM


Re: Free Porn
There you have it. All that porn as a kid led you to chasing bugs with a camera.
I started out wanting to be a pornographer.....

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Greatest I am
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Message 49 of 144 (767841)
09-02-2015 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2015 1:09 PM


Re: Free Porn
Tanypteryx
"Censorship always seems to go too far."
I did indicate that I did not like it either in the O.P..
We so not censor all that much in the West and apart from repressive regimes, Hitlerish regimes etc., I do not know of any that have gone too far.
What did you have in mind when you made your statement above?
Where has who gone too far?
Regards
DL

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Message 50 of 144 (767843)
09-02-2015 3:52 PM
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09-02-2015 2:04 PM


AZPaul3
Darn. I guess your report is better than the ones I put up.
Strange how they had no numbers for us to really look at.
Watching porn must be the only known activity that hurts absolutely no one.
Regards
DL

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Tanypteryx
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Message 51 of 144 (767844)
09-02-2015 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Greatest I am
09-02-2015 3:42 PM


Re: Free Porn
What did you have in mind when you made your statement above?
Where has who gone too far?
The attempts at censorship I am thinking of were not enacted. Throughout modern history we have seen attempts by various groups to ban all sorts of books from libraries and bookstores. Ban Harry Potter, ban witchcraft books, ban films that say "damn". If we allow some group to ban pornography, how will we stop some group from banning speaking out against the government or corporations.
I will never approve of censorship no matter who says it is for the public good.
If you are willing to censor someone else then you better be ready to be censored yourself.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 52 of 144 (767845)
09-02-2015 4:12 PM
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09-02-2015 3:52 PM


Watching porn must be the only known activity that hurts absolutely no one.
Then you misread my message, the article and, if you had wanted to follow the cites, the studies.
quote:
American scholars have come to nearly identical nonconclusions. By the end we looked at 40 to 50 studies, said Eric Owens, an assistant professor at West Chester University in Pennsylvania and co-author of The Impact of Internet Pornography on Adolescents: A Review of the Research, published in Sexual Addiction and Compulsivity: The Journal of Treatment and Prevention. And it became, ‘O.K., this one tells us A, this one tells us B.’ To some degree we threw up our hands and said, there is no conclusion to be drawn here.
There is a reason I lifted this quote from Dr. Owens for my message. I saw you coming. You can list a dozen cites for A, someone else can counter with a dozen cites for B.
What this means is that there is no settled consensus by the experts in the discipline. In other words, We ... don't ... know!
Is internet porn ruining our next generation?
We ... don't ... know!
Is censorship the answer?
(presuppose much?)
We ... don't ... know, is a terrible excuse to put limits on the First Amendment.

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Greatest I am
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Message 53 of 144 (767846)
09-02-2015 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2015 4:01 PM


Re: Free Porn
Tanypteryx
So some only attempted to go too far. I agree.
"If you are willing to censor someone else then you better be ready to be censored yourself."
Absolutely.
If I was promoting a product that caused a lot of harm I would expect censorship.
Strange that the Brits saw the need and took action and the parents in the U. K. did not raise much of a fuss.
Then again, they do not jail nearly as many as the U.S. does and might have a more intelligent mind set in terms of trust in their law makers.
They are less delusional about our so called freedom than we are here and probably put the health of their children ahead of that notion.
Regards
DL

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Message 54 of 144 (767847)
09-02-2015 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by AZPaul3
09-02-2015 4:12 PM


AZPaul3
We do know that internet porn is hurting people. I grant that we do not know how many but if you use the net, you can find all kinds of testimonials and workers in the field that are alarmed at the numbers.
This has a few and if you want more, let me know.
Enough Is Enough: Pornography
Regards
DL

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Tanypteryx
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Message 55 of 144 (767848)
09-02-2015 4:27 PM
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09-02-2015 4:13 PM


Re: Free Porn
They are less delusional about our so called freedom than we are here and probably put the health of their children ahead of that notion.
Or, they have deluded themselves (and apparently you) that they are doing anything positive for the health of their children?
Can you show any evidence that their children are healthier than our children or that how porn is viewed in either country has anything to do with this supposed superior health?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Greatest I am
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Message 56 of 144 (767849)
09-02-2015 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2015 4:27 PM


Re: Free Porn
Tanypteryx
All I have is an educated hunch.
Regards
DL

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Tanypteryx
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Message 57 of 144 (767850)
09-02-2015 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Greatest I am
09-02-2015 4:33 PM


Re: Free Porn
All I have is an educated hunch.
A hunch, that's good, me too.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Greatest I am
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Message 58 of 144 (767851)
09-02-2015 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2015 4:36 PM


Re: Free Porn
If we cannot trust our intelligence and instincts, who or what else can we trust.
On this, -------------
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZY8jUuEzJQ
Regards
DL

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AZPaul3
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Message 59 of 144 (767852)
09-02-2015 5:14 PM
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09-02-2015 4:18 PM


This has a few and if you want more, let me know.
quote:
Message 52
You can list a dozen cites for A, someone else can counter with a dozen cites for B.
The point is lost on you.
...you can find all kinds of testimonials and workers in the field that are alarmed at the numbers.
Since the topic is the effects of viewing internet porn by teens your clutching at exploitation of sex workers is just smoke and mirrors to obfuscate the science that is out there on that specific topic. Clutch all you want. The science remains inconclusive.

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AZPaul3
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Message 60 of 144 (767853)
09-02-2015 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2015 3:35 PM


Re: Free Porn
I started out wanting to be a pornographer....
OK, not here. This is a family thread. We need to get back over to your Costa Rica thread and have a talk about those bug pictures you're NOT showing us.

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