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Author Topic:   Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer?
Tanypteryx
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Message 18 of 144 (767764)
09-01-2015 4:38 PM


Free Porn
There does seem to be a lot of crap on the internet, but my understanding is that most porn sites are not free. I don't know how many kids have credit cards, but I don't expect very many are going to be willing to pay very much for porn.
The biggest victims of porn are children and those who are powerless that are being exploited to produce it.
It seems unlikely that the U.S. or any other country could actually censor the WWW (World Wide Web). How would you stop free citizens from looking at web sites in other countries?
The only people who can stop kids from accessing porn on the web are their parents. I wonder how much my grandson sees on his computer at home, (he built his own) and there is no way to control what he sees when he is at someone else's house.
Parents can explain to their kids about pornography....that it is not a reflection of real life sex and how it is exploitive of the people in it, but parents should be putting everything on the web in perspective for their kids.
You do your best to give your kids a set of values, but eventually they will grow up and make their own decisions.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 22 of 144 (767770)
09-01-2015 7:31 PM
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09-01-2015 6:43 PM


Re: Free Porn
I don't think you know what you are talking about.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 24 of 144 (767772)
09-01-2015 8:12 PM
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09-01-2015 8:07 PM


Re: Free Porn
Thanks for the advice.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 36 of 144 (767815)
09-02-2015 12:18 PM
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09-02-2015 9:18 AM


Re: Free Porn
Censorship is relatively easy. Try to find any child porn and see how hard it is.
Censorship is relatively easy if people agree to it. Child pornography seems to be something that our society has agreed to outlaw and enforce restrictions on.
I agree that parents in the general population are not doing a good job with sex education and in many cases neither are the schools. My wife and I taught our kids about sex and they are teaching their kids and monitoring what they watch on TV and the internet
Censorship or restricted access is what is required and we do not have that. We could easily have it but adults are self-centered and do not care about the welfare of our children if it is to cost them one of their pleasures, it seems.
The question is, who decides what should be restricted and what should not. There seems to be a consensus about child porn, but beyond that everyone has their own levels of what is acceptable.
I personally don't accept anyone else telling me what I can or cannot see or read or hear. There is not one politician, or religious leader that I recognize as having the authority to make those decisions for me. Living in a free society bestows liberty and responsibility on all of us, but we each have to act as individuals and make up our own minds about what we want to see or not see.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 38 of 144 (767821)
09-02-2015 1:09 PM
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09-02-2015 12:43 PM


Re: Free Porn
But this is not about what we want. It is about what is best for our next generation.
I only have time for this short answer right now. I seem to be having some connection problems this morning.
I don't happen to agree with you that censorship is what's best for the next generation.
You personally have no choice where child porn is concerned so our individual desires mean nothing when you and I choose to be governed by majority rule.
Child pornography was made illegal because it exploits children, not because of its effect on viewers. Charging those who posess child porn with a crime is an attempt to dry up the market for those material.
Majority rule does not trump freedom of speech or expression or the press. Censorship always seems to go too far.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 42 of 144 (767829)
09-02-2015 2:07 PM
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09-02-2015 1:43 PM


Re: Free Porn
Loosen up, or you'll end up like Tanypteryx.
funny

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 44 of 144 (767831)
09-02-2015 2:20 PM
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09-02-2015 2:04 PM


So the only link between porn and bad behavior is that so many kids engage in both.
Sounds just like when we were kids.
Kids also eat ice cream and kids often masturbate. Causal?
Nope, but messy if done at the same time.
If our next generation is being ruined is the cause porn or cell phones or music or TV or parenting or ...?
Cheetos....no, computers....no, Cheetos.....

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 45 of 144 (767832)
09-02-2015 2:23 PM
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09-02-2015 2:11 PM


Re: Free Porn
Loosen up, or you'll end up like Tanypteryx.
Could do a whole lot worse. Could end up like ... someone else.
I lucked out and ended up just like Tanypteryx.....

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 48 of 144 (767840)
09-02-2015 3:35 PM
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09-02-2015 2:58 PM


Re: Free Porn
There you have it. All that porn as a kid led you to chasing bugs with a camera.
I started out wanting to be a pornographer.....

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 51 of 144 (767844)
09-02-2015 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Greatest I am
09-02-2015 3:42 PM


Re: Free Porn
What did you have in mind when you made your statement above?
Where has who gone too far?
The attempts at censorship I am thinking of were not enacted. Throughout modern history we have seen attempts by various groups to ban all sorts of books from libraries and bookstores. Ban Harry Potter, ban witchcraft books, ban films that say "damn". If we allow some group to ban pornography, how will we stop some group from banning speaking out against the government or corporations.
I will never approve of censorship no matter who says it is for the public good.
If you are willing to censor someone else then you better be ready to be censored yourself.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 55 of 144 (767848)
09-02-2015 4:27 PM
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09-02-2015 4:13 PM


Re: Free Porn
They are less delusional about our so called freedom than we are here and probably put the health of their children ahead of that notion.
Or, they have deluded themselves (and apparently you) that they are doing anything positive for the health of their children?
Can you show any evidence that their children are healthier than our children or that how porn is viewed in either country has anything to do with this supposed superior health?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 57 of 144 (767850)
09-02-2015 4:36 PM
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09-02-2015 4:33 PM


Re: Free Porn
All I have is an educated hunch.
A hunch, that's good, me too.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 61 of 144 (767855)
09-02-2015 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Greatest I am
09-02-2015 4:45 PM


Re: Free Porn
If we cannot trust our intelligence and instincts, who or what else can we trust.
I do not trust you.
I trust science and evidence. There are or have been only a couple people whose intelligence I trust and in every case they were scientists using science and evidence to support what they said.
I don't trust instincts, yours, or mine, or anyone's. Although there was a time when my friends and I all thought there was something malevolent and creepy about Domingo Pass, so we got out of there before the aliens could take us up to their mother ship. This was also near the setting for Frank Herbert's novel, Hellstrom's Hive so that could have been it.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 64 of 144 (767861)
09-02-2015 7:13 PM
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09-02-2015 6:17 PM


Re: Free Porn
Anyone who thinks children are going to be kept from porn because 'most porn sites are not free' simply hasn't bothered investigating the issue in even the most cursory way.
You are correct. I was clearly mistaken about that.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 65 of 144 (767862)
09-02-2015 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Tanypteryx
09-02-2015 7:13 PM


Re: Free Porn
I think parents have the first responsibility to talk to the children they brought into the world about sex and relationships and how to live in the world the way it is right now.
I know there are a whole bunch of people who should never have procreated, who are too stupid, or ignorant, or warped, to be the ones to teach any children anything.
I think the schools should be a source of unbiased, accurate information about all the things children need to know about living in this world.
I think society has a function that includes organizing itself in a way that tasks that cannot be performed by separate individuals are taken care of by specialized agencies, answerable to all of society. We call this a government and have appointed parts of it to regulate our society and its creations for the good of all. Sometimes we get it wrong and sometimes we get it right. Ideally we would learn when we do it wrong and try and improve.
The internet is global and connects our species in ways that were never possible before. It is a tool of communication and learning and can raise our collective knowledge to ever higher levels. It can also be used to hurt people in new ways and exploit our worst traits.
I choose to hope it will be used for more good things than bad things and to do what I think will make the internet a good invention and tool for humanity.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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