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Author | Topic: Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Tanypteryx
I agree on the education and most of what you put. Education is key but I also recognize that it is children and young and foolish adults we are talking about and that some unknown number will fall. If other addictive chemical. drug and societal addictions are any example, I place the number of failures to be at about 20 %. I think that to be too high a price even if wrong and only 5% is a truer number and that is why I promote censorship or at least regulations as seen in England. Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM announces - BBC News Prevention is less costly than a cure. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
RAZD
Good food for thought. But for the reasons spoken of in my second link, the old porn cannot be compared to what we now have in the net. That is addictive while the old ways were not and all the reasons and logic trails are given. I do not advocate repressing the sexuality of our young. What I advocate is putting in place a system to safeguard and facilitate their being able to have a normal sexuality. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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RAZD writes:
I don't think there's much difference between WWE and football. For a better analogy compare it to WWF and the choreographed "wrestling" programmed entertainment. The posing etc etc etc. And of course not all pornography is choreographed or posed. There's plenty of candid nudist porn and paparazzi porn - not that I would know anything about them but I hear things.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
It doesn't come from a religion. It's one of the most basic principles of any society, human or otherwise. Religions have enough sense to borrow some of the most basic principles.
So "thou shalt not kill" has no place in society because it comes from a religion?
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Get your ears off of what your neighbor is doing. Just kidding girl. "And of course not all pornography is choreographed or posed. There's plenty of candid nudist porn and paparazzi porn" I do not think I agree with you on this unless the couple do not know that they are being filmed, because if they do not know about the camera, then chances are that they are fairly close and intimate and that would make lousy porn from what that clip in the O.P. says. It would be considered by most watchers as quite mild and they would likely skip by it. Anyone who knows that there is a camera running will play to it. There might not be a choreographer but the actors will do their own. RegardsDL
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Jon Inactive Member |
You're missing the point. (Deliberately as usual I would imagine.)
If a serial killer sleeping under his bookcase is awoken by a Bible falling from the top shelf and landing open at the Ten Commandments, his realization that he should stop murdering people is no less valid than anyone else's realization of the same just because his realization is religiously sourced. When judging policies, potential or actual, it matters not from where the policies come but what the policies are. Love your enemies!
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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It was conclusive enough for the British government to be able to pass a law to cover it. Politicians playing emotion on a national stage? Is that your evidence? Note also that the British debate never mentioned the science, mentioned a lot about child porn and even more about rape-culture porn. That IS NOT what this thread is about. You do remember the OP you wrote, don't you, DL? Maybe you should go back and re-read it to remember what this thread is about. Does it mention, anywhere, about the dangers to a child in pornography? Does it mention, anywhere, about the trauma of rape-culture pornography? You do know that both of these are banned already in the USA?Does it mention, anywhere, about the the abuse of sex-trade workers? Your basic premise, since you need reminding, is that teens are being ruined by seeing adult porn on the internet. I have shown you where the experts, the smart people who study this stuff as a discipline, are of the firm convinced opinion that they really do not know! Again with the smoke and mirrors trying to hide the loss of your pet theme. Child porn, rape-culture porn, abuse of sex workers belongs in another thread. There is real harm there.
Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Again, the science is inconclusive on the effect of adult internet porn on young teens. We cannot say that it is harmful (and to what extend, major or mild) or that it isn't. No smoke or mirrors necessary. No obfuscation required. You asked the question and now you have your answer.
Is censorship the answer? Answer to what? Is censorship the answer to a problem you can't show actually exists? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : better explanations, I hope
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You're missing the point. (Deliberately as usual I would imagine.) He's twisting the point, into something that he can actually make an argument against Your actual point stands: RAZD's wild speculations that the correlation between aboriginal and puritanical nudity standards and levels of sexual abuse has a causal relationship has not been established. Coyote's joke? assumed the point required that the nudity standard comes from what the society was built on, which is what you then challenged and Ringo responded to. We await RAZD's support for his claims. I'd like to look at some of that Victorian porn he mentioned we could.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4444 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I'd like to look at some of that Victorian porn he mentioned we could. Participation at EvC is dropping like a stone.....everyone is checking out what the kids are looking at. I remember when I was in the 7th grade I passed an old drug store every day on the way to school. There was magazine stand right out on the sidewalk with girly magazines. There would always be a crowd of boys around the stand until the druggist came out made us leave. He never came out right away. Bare breasts were as far as they went in those days. At least above the counter, I found out when I was older that there was much more pornographic material that was kept out of sight. It turned out that there was a quite robust pornography black market, before court rulings allowed the multi-billion dollar markets we see now.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
AZPaul3
I think I have shown that the problem exists. Although you do not think it has and think it inconclusive, you should consider if we should ere on the side of overprotecting the young or ere on the side of ignoring that protection and ignoring all the personal testimonials that we can access that show harm exists. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Tanypteryx
There is nothing new under the sun except for our technology and perhaps our level of depravity. RegardsDL
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined:
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There is nothing new under the sun except for our technology.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8561 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I think I have shown that the problem exists. What you have shown is that you assume a problem exists and that it is "ruining" (whatever that is) an entire generation of young. Porn vs teen is not a new controversy. The issue has been studied for decades. You cannot have shown a problem exists because no one, after decades of study, can show a problem exists despite increased availability on the internet.
...ignoring all the personal testimonials that we can access that show harm exists. One of the things science has taught us over these past few centuries is that personal testimonials are notoriously bad as evidence. No matter how many there are they can only point to a possibility of an issue, they are not evidence of an issue. The plural of anecdote is not data.
... you should consider if we should ere on the side of overprotecting the young or ere on the side of ignoring that protection... Once we establish what the facts on the ground are (and the facts in this case are: we don't know) then we can have this discussion on whether we should impose restrictions anyway. That becomes a political discussion and is a matter of opinion. You and I will disagree on this part of the discussion. I cannot agree to limiting First Amendment rights, imposing censorship on the entire population of a nation of such diverse cultures, without there being a compelling, nay, an overwhelming body of evidence that makes such a drastic curtailment of personal freedom justifiable and necessary. I find that to err on the side of caution, as you would suggest in this case, is insufficient reason to warrant such a drastic step into censorship and the curtailment of personal freedom. You will disagree and that's the way the world works. We will agree to disagree and can now go on to bigger and better things. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I think you're incorrectly characterizing all porn fans as slobbering perverts. "Most watchers" have their preferences and many preferences are what you would call "mild".
It would be considered by most watchers as quite mild and they would likely skip by it. Greatest I am writes:
You seem to disagree with the people who insist that all women in porn are being coerced. I'd say that both extreme views are wrong. Some are coerced, some are shy but willing and some play to the camera.
Anyone who knows that there is a camera running will play to it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Actually, you're missing the point. I said that "thou shalt not kill" is not religion-based. It's conscience-based and socialization-based.
If a serial killer sleeping under his bookcase is awoken by a Bible falling from the top shelf and landing open at the Ten Commandments, his realization that he should stop murdering people is no less valid than anyone else's realization of the same just because his realization is religiously sourced.
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