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Author Topic:   Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?
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Message 329 of 424 (767837)
09-02-2015 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by ringo
09-02-2015 11:54 AM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
I read Casey Davis' subtext as: "I'm making a big show of supporting her, but will delay actually having to support her until after everything has already blown over."
All show, no go.

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Message 359 of 424 (767977)
09-04-2015 1:44 AM
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09-03-2015 11:12 PM


But at the end, just exactly whose signature is on those documents?
In most government offices, it's the elected/appointed official whose signature is placed on all documents going through that office, regardless of whatever sub-official actually performed the actual transaction.
Admittedly, I don't know the procedural riggoramo ... er ... officious BS wording that must be used officially. OK, I am relying on my USAF Leadership School training here. Who has the authority to sign off on anything? Where did that person derive his/her authority from? In our USAF command's Leadership School, we suffered through a long and tortuous lecture that started with the Constitution of the United States of America and meticulously traced down to the authority of a non-commissioned officer (NCO) to issue orders to his subordinates.
There was something else that we were taught. We not only could delegate authority, but we were actually required to do so, so that our subordinates could discharge the duties that we had delegated to them. At the same time, we could never delegate responsibility. We were still responsible for what our subordinates did.
Now that Davis is imprisoned as is appropriate, her subordinates are issuing marriage licenses. Whose name appears on those licenses? In whose authority are those subordinates acting? What difference exists?

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Message 365 of 424 (767998)
09-04-2015 10:40 AM
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09-04-2015 7:38 AM


Even in the earliest examples of Christian martyrdom, they go out of their way to create the situation. Even now with their whining about "how much they are being persecuted", they go out of their way to be so hateful so that they can then whine about how much everybody hates them. Duh?

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Message 369 of 424 (768012)
09-04-2015 3:03 PM
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09-04-2015 12:23 PM


For that matter, since she's an elected government official, shouldn't she have had to have been sworn into office? Shouldn't her oath of office have included wording to the effect that she would faithfully execute her duties to the best of her ability? And shouldn't she have ended that oath of office with the words, "so help me God."?
So then by willfully shirking her duties, she is breaking an oath she had made to God.

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Message 371 of 424 (768015)
09-04-2015 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 370 by NoNukes
09-04-2015 3:09 PM


According to a news report I read on my phone (so, sorry, no link), the clerks are issuing marriage licenses, but they're not signed since their boss isn't there to sign them. The clerks insisted that the licenses are still valid even without her signature, a position also held by the county attorney and the gay couples' lawyer. However, she and her lawyer say that those licenses are void and "not worth paper that they are written on".
With her fervor for keeping government from working, are you sure she's not a closet Republican?
In other news, did you hear the one about the Tennessee judge, Jeffrey M. Atherton, who refused to grant a divorce for a straight couple because of gay marriage?
Edited by dwise1, : Tenn. judge

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Message 386 of 424 (768351)
09-10-2015 11:06 PM
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09-09-2015 10:50 AM


DWise1 writes:
Even in the earliest examples of Christian martyrdom, they go out of their way to create the situation.
... not quite sure why you say that.
I was thinking of one pre-Constantine case presented in a very rare event, an actual history program on one of the history channels. It was about the early pre-Constantine Christian churches.
I think that this martyr is one of the more famous ones. She was a young woman, pregnant. She might even have been patrician. She refused to make a sacrifice to the Emperor, which was more a form of taxation than anything else, as I understand. You paid for the sacrifice to be made and got a receipt as proof that you paid it. It was part of your civic duty. Well, she refused to pay it, so she was arrested. Family members and friends came to visit her, practically every one of whom offered to pay it for her, but she refused to allow them to. I seem to recall that the officials didn't even want to arrest her in the first place, were willing to let it slide, but she insisted that they arrest her. One opportunity after another was offered to her to have her life spared, but she refused each and every one of them. And despite everybody's efforts, she finally got her wish.
I don't doubt that many of the early Christian martyrs did not wish for their fates, but there were also those who did go out of their way to achieve martyrdom. And we still see that mania for martyrdom today. And it's so strong that they still go out of their way to make it happen.

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