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Admin Director Posts: 13018 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9
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The Evolution. We Have The Fossils. We Win. thread has again devolved into snide comments, this time directed at Mike the Wiz. I'd step in, but Mike's post made as little sense to me as it did to everyone else. I read Mike's post before anyone posted replies, and I was hoping someone else could make sense of it, but it looks like no one did. I do think we should expect polite responses to posts whose point isn't clear, but Mike has a long history of nonsensical posts. Asking people to behave like they never met Mike before and to reply politely every time he joins a new thread to post more nonsense doesn't seem reasonable.
About Coyote's response to Faith, as with Mike the Wiz's post, I had already read Faith's post before it drew any replies, and I had problems with it, too. She posted the same arguments she's posted before as if she hadn't already participated in many other threads where those exact arguments were already discussed at length. She exhibited no awareness of the counterarguments she knows were made, no interest in where those prior discussions had eventually led. For that reason Coyote's reposting of the unicorn image had additional meaning for me. Not only does Faith's position on the issues seem delusional, so does her expectation that yet another debate of the same arguments will end differently. Note that I'm not objecting to discussing things that have been discussed before. I have no problem with that. But those who have participated in prior discussions shouldn't be arguing as if they never happened. Arguing that way would be like playing an old mp3 and expecting to hear something different.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Mini-Moose writes:
By all means, let's chase more posters away.
Then you need to keep your laughter to yourself, and not post it as messages.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I'd step in, but Mike's post made as little sense to me as it did to everyone else. I read Mike's post before anyone posted replies, and I was hoping someone else could make sense of it, but it looks like no one did. There is no point to taking his post as anything more than a peek into a particular creationists thought processes. No substantive response to his post is necessary. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
There has been some discussion of Faith's current 1 month suspension, starting here.
The Public Record suspension announcement is here. Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add 2nd sentence.Or something like that. |
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Jon Inactive Member |
What gives?
Can we not speak honestly here anymore? Sometimes there's just nothing nice to say about someone. If Admin would prefer, I can move it to a different/new thread, though. But it deserves to be known just what kind of a sick piece of shit Muhammad was. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Admin Director Posts: 13018 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9
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Hi Jon,
This is representative of some of what you've been posting recently:
Jon writes: But it deserves to be known just what kind of a sick piece of shit Muhammad was. I want civil and constructive debate, and this is neither. I'm not going to further explain the obvious or argue with you.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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What gives? Can we not speak honestly here anymore? There's a difference between providing a place for everyone to access free and open discussion, and letting brats shit all over your house because you want to treat everyone equally. I'm not saying that you're a shitty brat, I'm just sayin'... you're a guest here.
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Jon Inactive Member |
I'm just sayin'... you're a guest here. And I'm fine abiding by Admin's rules. I just can't wrap my head around the reaction to my simple and true statements regarding Muhammad. Sure, it might have been off-topic. But 'grenade tossing'? Lack of 'civility'? C'mon... this is Muhammad we're talking about! Are we allowed to openly and honestly discuss this 'bad man' anywhere on the forum?Love your enemies!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Jon writes: Can we not speak honestly here anymore? The evidence is that you can and you did. Your words have not been censored or deleted. But you could have said the same thing in a less aggressive and offensive way and it would have had more chance of persuading someone. Instead you're stuck defending bad use of language. Mohamed was not a flower-power, peace and love Jesus character, he was a warrior and by some accounts did some apalling things. You could have told us what they were rather than just call him names. But if you want to call him names, you can - it's just that you'll be called on it and no-one will be any the wiser.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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But name calling is easier than presenting a substantive argument
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wish to object to PaulK's latest accusation that I'm lying.
I should also mention Dr. A, I realize, since he's called me a drooling halfwit among other things. abe: I fell into the namecalling myself in retaliation, but I apologize for it and take it back. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This sort of personal attack, in this case from Pressie, is just getting to me today, it's depressing, it's timewasting, it detracts from the subject and it hurts.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1276 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
For what it's worth, I'm on Faith's side on this one. She did nothing but express genuine interest in the topic.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I should also mention Dr. A, I realize, since he's called me a drooling halfwit among other things. To be exact, I described your beliefs as droolingly halfwitted, and I plead justification. No-one who reads that thread could but sympathize with me.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Percy hasn't posted to EvC in about two weeks. Perhaps he is vacationing?
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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