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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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RAZD writes:
I sometimes compare porn with spectator sports. Watching football is an incomplete experience but censorship of football would probably be harder to sell than censorship of porn.
ie show that porn is an incomplete experience.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Jon writes:
I googled a woman's name once (it wasn't "Candy" but it was something like that) and most of the hits were porn. I'm at the public library, so I'm not going to try to replicate the experiment today.
I googled 'porn' (does it get simpler than that?)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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RAZD writes:
I don't think there's much difference between WWE and football. For a better analogy compare it to WWF and the choreographed "wrestling" programmed entertainment. The posing etc etc etc. And of course not all pornography is choreographed or posed. There's plenty of candid nudist porn and paparazzi porn - not that I would know anything about them but I hear things.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
It doesn't come from a religion. It's one of the most basic principles of any society, human or otherwise. Religions have enough sense to borrow some of the most basic principles.
So "thou shalt not kill" has no place in society because it comes from a religion?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I think you're incorrectly characterizing all porn fans as slobbering perverts. "Most watchers" have their preferences and many preferences are what you would call "mild".
It would be considered by most watchers as quite mild and they would likely skip by it. Greatest I am writes:
You seem to disagree with the people who insist that all women in porn are being coerced. I'd say that both extreme views are wrong. Some are coerced, some are shy but willing and some play to the camera.
Anyone who knows that there is a camera running will play to it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Actually, you're missing the point. I said that "thou shalt not kill" is not religion-based. It's conscience-based and socialization-based.
If a serial killer sleeping under his bookcase is awoken by a Bible falling from the top shelf and landing open at the Ten Commandments, his realization that he should stop murdering people is no less valid than anyone else's realization of the same just because his realization is religiously sourced.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Jon writes:
You said in Message 74:
I'm not going to be part of the chicken and egg argument you're trying to start.quote:That's the equivalent of saying, "So eggs have no place in your diet because they come from volcanos?" I was simply pointing out that you were factually wrong. The proper response on your part would be, "Thank you."
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Huh? ringo writes:
And yet we kill. Makes the Original Sin theory plausible, at least. I said that "thou shalt not kill" is not religion-based. It's conscience-based and socialization-based. Practically every society on earth considers killing people a bad thing. Only a small minority do kill. That suggests that only a few people have inherited Original Sin.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You don't seem to have much to say, so I have to spread out a bit.
You sure read a lot in what is not said. Greatest I am writes:
You imply in the OP that porn is a bad thing. If you don't tell us what's bad about it, how can you blame me for speculating?
I said nothing of labeling porn viewers nor of coercion within the industry.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Omni writes:
That might have been true in the past but from what I've seen of Internet porn, it's pretty ordinary.
The actors and actresses who provide supernormal stimuli of surgically and cinematically perfected bodies, breasts and pricks of outlandish size and heroic stamina, and malignant portrayals of human sexuality as sadistic and exploitive, all impact cultural norms and make even harder the often awkward negotiation of human sexuality.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
The other viable solution is the lesser of two evils - don't censor.
People do not seem to favor censorship but I see no other viable solution given all the conditions.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You're cherry-picking. Try googling "healthy expression of sexuality".
This following is what was given to me by another woman. 'Monster Cock Destroys Slut Pu**y''(name) Loves Getting Her Pu**y Beaten Up' 'Sperm Swallowing Slut Wife Railed Hard' 'Nasty Ebony Public Slut get Cocks' 'Teen Slut on a Leash Gets C*m Drenched' Notice a pattern in how women are spoken of?
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
And good people doing the WRONG thing can also cause evil to grow. Sometimes nothing is the lesser of two evils.
For evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
You seem to be suggesting that the "common Internet porn fare" is NOT healthy. Why else propose censorship to cure it? Healthy habits are not the issue and what I gave was common internet porn fare. You could just as well say that food is not healthy because some foods contain sugar, caffeine, etc. Some is not all.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
There's a difference between regulation and censorship. Regulation has to do with real-world things like speed limits, health and safety, etc. Censorship is about ideas. Regulation of ideas makes "wrong thinking" a thought-crime.
You must have missed that our government as well as others are trying to censor/control the amount of addictive materials that food companies put into what we eat. Greatest I am writes:
First, it doesn't "seem" to be doing much harm. I would argue that Facebook and Twitter are as harmful as porn - with the added disadvantage that they are more socially acceptable. Why not let them also do that when as much harm is being done as there seems to be? Second, as I have already said, even if there is some harm associated with porn, it's the lesser of two evils. Censorship is a form of prohibition and prohibition tends to do more harm than good. Prohibition of alcohol largely caused the rise of organized crime and the prohibition of recreational drugs perpetuates organized crime today.
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