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Author Topic:   Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?
ringo
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Message 235 of 424 (767570)
08-30-2015 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
08-30-2015 3:50 PM


Re: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
Oh I mind a great deal.
So you're against the death penalty? I thought you were arguing FOR an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and a life for a life, as if it was some kind of "perfect" justice.

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ringo
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Message 252 of 424 (767636)
08-31-2015 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 4:03 PM


Re: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Straightshot writes:
It is the Lord who ultimately gives life and takes it away .... in the final judgment [Revelation 20:11-15]
What humans do is another matter and only temporal
So you have nothing against murder? It's only temporal so it doesn't matter?

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ringo
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Message 253 of 424 (767637)
08-31-2015 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Faith
08-30-2015 4:32 PM


Re: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
Yes I'm for the death penalty but it bothers me a great deal if innocent people are convicted.
It bothers you "a great deal" but not enough to actually DO anything about it? You might be wrong but you'll go ahead anyway?
It doesn't matter how much things "bother" you. What matters is what you DO to avoid mistakes and correct your mistakes. The road to Hell is paved with your empty good intentions.

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ringo
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Message 255 of 424 (767641)
08-31-2015 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Straightshot
08-31-2015 11:43 AM


Re: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Straightshot writes:
Remember this ringo [Revelation 20:11-15]
For those who don't want to look it up, I'll quote it for you:
quote:
Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Note that "they were judged every man according to their works".
As Jesus said:
quote:
Matthew 25:44-46 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It's all about what you do, not what you profess.
So are you in favour of just letting murder slide? You handwave the death penalty as "temporal". Why is murder less temporal?

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ringo
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Message 302 of 424 (767730)
09-01-2015 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Faith
08-31-2015 1:40 PM


Re: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
There's nothing I can do about wrong executions.
Yes there is. You can lobby against the problem instead of for it. You can be part of the solution instead of the problem.
Faith writes:
Mistakes don't invalidate the principle of the death penalty.
Of course they do. If there's a chance of making a mistake you don't do what you can't undo. You don't burn your bridges if you might have to go back.

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ringo
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Message 304 of 424 (767733)
09-01-2015 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Faith
08-31-2015 3:55 PM


Re: NRe: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
Oh how you revisionists love criminals.
Jesus was the revisionist:
quote:
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
No doubt there are people on death row praying for you.

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ringo
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Message 307 of 424 (767736)
09-01-2015 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by Faith
09-01-2015 12:08 PM


Re: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
I guess I could devote the rest of my life to helping those who are working to set wrongly convicted people free.
The least you could do to follow Jesus' teaching is stop contradicting Him. What you probably SHOULD do, if you were an honest Christian, is speak out as He did:
quote:
Matthew 5:38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
What you SHOULD do is stop mangling the Bible.
Faith writes:
However, the point I was making is that the death penalty is the right sentence for some crimes, and that doesn't change because of judicial mistakes in determining who deserves it.
You made that point just fine but it's patently wrong, both logically and Biblically.

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ringo
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Message 308 of 424 (767737)
09-01-2015 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Faith
09-01-2015 12:10 PM


Re: NRe: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
He doesn't address anything that has to do with the criminal justice system....
Nonsense. An eye for an eye was an integral part of the Hebrew justice system. It had nothing to do with individual behaviour.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 310 of 424 (767740)
09-01-2015 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by Faith
09-01-2015 12:32 PM


Re: NRe: HRe: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Faith writes:
It's clear He's addressing individuals no matter what the context anyway.
WHAT? Your suggesting that we should just ignore the context and accept your (per)version?
Faith writes:
Jesus had no reason to preach to nations and states....
I didn't say He was preaching to nations. But as an individual who DOES have some influence over your nation's decisions, you are obligated to extend that teaching to your nation.
Faith writes:
Applying His teaching to the criminal justice system is so beyond absurd you have to just not be thinking.
I'm quoting what Jesus said. You can call that nonsense if you like.

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ringo
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Message 325 of 424 (767813)
09-02-2015 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 322 by JonF
09-02-2015 8:42 AM


Re: SCOTUS declines to extend clerk's stay
Casey Davis (no relation) has sworn he will die before issuing a license to a gay couple. IIRC he's walking across the state ti Kim Davis' office to show support for her.
That's ironic. "I'm willing to die for my beliefs so I'm going for a walk." Who knew walking in Kentucky was so dangerous?

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ringo
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Message 368 of 424 (768008)
09-04-2015 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by Faith
09-04-2015 1:54 AM


Faith writes:
My point is very simple: if ANY human law, doesn't matter what its source, contradicts God, a Christian must disobey that law.
If your job requires you to break God's law, you quit your job. You don't just refuse to do your job.

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ringo
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Message 378 of 424 (768220)
09-09-2015 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by Omnivorous
09-09-2015 8:52 AM


Re: Here come da clerk
Omni writes:
I wonder why.
On the CBC news last night somebody commented that quitting the $100,000 job might have been a more sincere protest.

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ringo
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Message 388 of 424 (768405)
09-11-2015 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 387 by Faith
09-10-2015 11:54 PM


Faith writes:
Hebrews 11:35: Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
To put that in context, it's about the faith of the Hebrews - crossing the Red Sea, conquering Jericho, etc. - not Christians.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 390 of 424 (768417)
09-11-2015 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by Faith
09-11-2015 1:01 PM


Faith writes:
You're as bad as jar when it comes to making up your own theology.
I didn't say a word about theology. I was just pointing out the context of your quote for people who don't want to look it up for themselves.
Faith writes:
Why was the faith of those Hebrews included in the New Testament? Because they ARE "Christians," that is, we include them as believers in the same God, even in the sense that they looked forward to the true Messiah despite their disadvantage of time.
THAT is what YOU are making up.
What Jesus SAID was that the ancient Hebrews had faith in God and their contemporaries should too - because God was, and is, faithful. He said nothing about Christian martyrs.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 392 of 424 (768421)
09-11-2015 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by Faith
09-11-2015 1:10 PM


Faith writes:
What I already said. You don't know what you are talking about.
What you already said does nothing to address the point. Your theology is made up. It isn't Biblical.

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