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Author Topic:   New Species of Homo Discovered: Homo naledi
DrJones*
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Message 46 of 85 (768361)
09-11-2015 12:37 AM
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09-10-2015 3:44 PM


Ah, and assembled them into one. Pretty risky method there.
Again READ the articles. They recovered over 1500 specimens and assembled 15 individuals from them.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
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Message 47 of 85 (768362)
09-11-2015 12:37 AM
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09-11-2015 12:07 AM


Re: credulous science
Really Faith? Are you really that ignorant to think scientists (some of who are liscenced medical doctors/researchers) do not understand this. These skelatal remains are typically outside the range of human variability. In addition, the physiological structure of the bones in no way matches any type of modern human, giant or dwarf. And yes, if you actually read the research findings in scientific jounals instead of the sensationalism of newspapers and magazines you will read the exact physical dimensions and other details of these skeletal remains.
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Message 48 of 85 (768363)
09-11-2015 12:40 AM
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09-11-2015 12:36 AM


Re: incredible creationists
Whole arrays of skulls are often presented as if to prove differences between some ancient type of human and today's, but they all just look like normal variations on skulls you see walking down the street every day
To you, perhaps.
To someone who has some training in osteology--no.
Don't you think we really study these things, and really know something about what we're doing? Are you so clueless that you really think we're making this all up?
Just read some scientific journals, such as American Journal of Physical Anthropology and look at the level of detail in the analyses.
And perhaps learn something before you shoot off your mouth.
In science credibility is very important--those who are repeatedly wrong are scorned. Apparently that's not the case with apologetics...

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Message 49 of 85 (768366)
09-11-2015 12:50 AM
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Re: incredible creationists
Long as you're all in thrall to evolution I don't trust one thing any of you say about fossil finds.

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Message 50 of 85 (768367)
09-11-2015 12:50 AM
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09-11-2015 12:36 AM


Re: incredible creationists
No they don't Faith.
Here is homo sapiens compared to neanderthal (humans closest cousins).
Vastly different, no modern human skull looks like this. Ask any medical researcher, forensic scientist or paleontologist.

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Message 51 of 85 (768368)
09-11-2015 12:52 AM
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09-11-2015 12:50 AM


Re: incredible creationists
So you rather we trust someone like you who is totally ignorant in this subject.

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Message 52 of 85 (768369)
09-11-2015 12:54 AM
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Re: incredible creationists
Picture is not very clear. But a very different type of human proves nothing about evolution, just that such variations are possible from the human genome, perhaps under unusual conditions of genetic isolation.
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Message 53 of 85 (768370)
09-11-2015 12:56 AM
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Re: incredible creationists
No, you don't have to trust me, but you might consider that you could be deceived by a false theory because your evidence isn't very convincing.

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Message 54 of 85 (768371)
09-11-2015 12:59 AM
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09-11-2015 12:36 AM


Re: incredible creationists
None of the skulls on the left look anything like modern human skulls.

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Message 55 of 85 (768372)
09-11-2015 1:01 AM
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conRe: incredible creationists
Convincing to who?

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Message 56 of 85 (768373)
09-11-2015 1:04 AM
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09-11-2015 12:59 AM


Re: incredible creationists
Couldn't find a single modern skull of those types?
So they either aren't human or they are normal variations on human that no longer exist. Before the Flood there would certainly have been all kinds of wildly different versions of every living thing including human beings.

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Message 57 of 85 (768374)
09-11-2015 1:05 AM
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09-11-2015 12:36 AM


Re: incredible creationists
Whole arrays of skulls are often presented as if to prove differences between some ancient type of human and today's, but they all just look like normal variations on skulls you see walking down the street every day.
If the folks in your town resemble Homo naledi in having a cranial capacity less than 600 cc ... well, that would explain a lot.

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Message 58 of 85 (768375)
09-11-2015 1:06 AM
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09-11-2015 12:54 AM


Re: incredible creationists
I give up Faith. Just admit you have zero evidence for your claims and you are totally and deliberately ignorant in this area. You make zero effort to back up anything you say. This is why I left evc forum the last time. Because people like you make stupid unsubstantiated claims against the mountains of evidence that you snidely dismiss. I am done with your idiocy. Good night.

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Message 59 of 85 (768376)
09-11-2015 1:10 AM
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Re: incredible creationists
What is so funny is that you Hovind claim extreme variability aka evolution after the flood from pairs of each species in a timeline thousands of fold more rapid than what modern science shows. How utterly ridiculous and inane. Good night for the last time

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Message 60 of 85 (768377)
09-11-2015 1:15 AM
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09-11-2015 1:10 AM


Re: incredible creationists
But modern science DOESN'T "show" that at all, it assumes it because the theory requires it. Variation in reality occurs quite rapidly when small numbers are isolated. After the Flood small populations would have been constantly splitting off from the larger groups and moving out geographically, which is the perfect condition for rapid phenotypic variation.

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