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Author Topic:   Is internet porn ruining our next generation? Is censorship the answer?
Tanypteryx
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Message 91 of 144 (768007)
09-04-2015 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Greatest I am
09-04-2015 7:32 AM


There is nothing new under the sun except for our technology and perhaps our level of depravity.

This looks like one of those meaningless things people say when they feel like they have to respond but have nothing of substance to say.

Depravity is one of those subjective things that means something different to each person.

This thread has convinced me that you are over-reacting to the threat of internet porn destroying a generation of teenagers.

Compared to the threats to all of humanity and life on this planet, like over-population and global warming, internet porn doesn't worry me at all.

It isn't going to make them go blind.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


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Message 92 of 144 (768027)
09-04-2015 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by ringo
09-04-2015 12:09 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Whatever, ringo. I'm not going to be part of the chicken and egg argument you're trying to start.

The fact remains: it doesn't matter where we get our values from, it only matters what the values are.


Love your enemies!

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Thugpreacha
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Message 93 of 144 (768036)
09-05-2015 2:08 AM
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09-04-2015 12:09 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
ringo writes:

I said that "thou shalt not kill" is not religion-based. It's conscience-based and socialization-based.

And yet we kill. Makes the Original Sin theory plausible, at least.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
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Message 94 of 144 (768048)
09-05-2015 11:49 AM
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09-04-2015 7:17 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Jon writes:

I'm not going to be part of the chicken and egg argument you're trying to start.


You said in Message 74:
quote:
So "thou shalt not kill" has no place in society because it comes from a religion?

That's the equivalent of saying, "So eggs have no place in your diet because they come from volcanos?" I was simply pointing out that you were factually wrong. The proper response on your part would be, "Thank you."
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Message 95 of 144 (768049)
09-05-2015 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Thugpreacha
09-05-2015 2:08 AM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Phat writes:

ringo writes:

I said that "thou shalt not kill" is not religion-based. It's conscience-based and socialization-based.


And yet we kill. Makes the Original Sin theory plausible, at least.

Huh?

Practically every society on earth considers killing people a bad thing. Only a small minority do kill. That suggests that only a few people have inherited Original Sin.


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Message 96 of 144 (768428)
09-11-2015 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Greatest I am
09-03-2015 10:36 AM


Sexuality Education
Here is an excellent review, not only of sexuality education in other countries, but on their rates of teen pregnancies, STD's and abortions ...

Sex Ed Outside The U.S. Teaches Kids About Masturbation, Consent And Orgasms And Its Working

quote:
Teen pregnancy rates in 6 countries prove it. Who knew cartoons of dancing penises and vaginas could be so effective?

The U.S. has the highest rate of teen pregnancy among developed nations, with an average of 52.8 pregnancies and 33.8 births for every 1,000 15-to-19-year-olds. We also have the highest rate of STD infections in the industrialized world.


OBVIOUSLY what the US is doing is NOT working ... and that a more open comprehensive program is the direction to go.

I do not advocate repressing the sexuality of our young. What I advocate is putting in place a system to safeguard and facilitate their being able to have a normal sexuality.

Then look to Sweden, Norway, Germany, etc.

Start with the kindergarten program from Sweden for example

quote:
This video, which features dancing, animated penises and vaginas, was aired during a public television segment aimed at 3-to-6-year-olds to help teach children about their bodies. ...

and they learn more as they age:

quote:
wedish students learn about everything from consent and condoms to challenging racial and gender-bias in the ways they think about in relationships. To have fun with sex, to be a person who really wants to be alive and can say yes, and can say no, you have to know quite a lot about this, about how your body works, one Swedish sex-ed teacher explained to the Guardian.

Teen birth rate: 2.7 babies for every 1,000 teens


52.8/2.7 = 19.5 ... 20 times more in the US than in Sweden ...

... what we now have in the net.

That is addictive ...

Yet not so in Europe, so the addiction would be more closely tied to the puritanical prudish taboo treatment in the US?

Looking at the clip from the Netherlands I see emphasis on developing empathy and care\love before getting into the sexual behavior. They even discuss gender rolls.

Like in Denmark ...

quote:
Sixty years ago, Denmark and the U.S. had similar rates of teenage pregnancy but in the 1960s, the Danish government became the first country in the world to grant everyone access to contraception and sex-ed information as a right, regardless of age. Recent studies have found that most Danish teens wait until theyre almost 17 to have sex, and 80% of them use contraception during their first sexual encounter.

The overall birth rate for the country is so low that theyve recently expanded their sex-ed curriculum to start covering not only how to avoid pregnancy, but also how to enjoy sex and intentionally get pregnant once the time is right, of course.


... What I advocate is putting in place a system to safeguard and facilitate their being able to have a normal sexuality.

And I would substitute "natural sexuality" (of whatever flavor suits them personally), free from bias and bigotry.

Enjoy

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Message 97 of 144 (768430)
09-11-2015 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by NosyNed
09-04-2015 8:07 AM


Re: Under the sun
NosyNed

That addicting technology is what is new.

And dangerous for children.

Regards
DL


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Message 98 of 144 (768432)
09-11-2015 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by ringo
09-04-2015 12:00 PM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
ringo

You sure read a lot in what is not said.

I said nothing of labeling porn viewers nor of coercion within the industry.

Regards
DL


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Message 99 of 144 (768433)
09-11-2015 4:50 PM
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09-04-2015 12:17 PM


Tanypteryx

I showed that as high as 50% of children between 12 and 25 are being affected to the point of dysfunction and addiction.

How high of a rate of damage would you tolerate before advocating for censorship?

Regards
DL


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Message 100 of 144 (768434)
09-11-2015 4:53 PM
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09-05-2015 2:08 AM


Re: porn is an incomplete experience
Phat

A good find. Thanks.

What does killing have to do with A & E telling God where to put his stupid commandment for A & E to stay stupid?

Regards
DL

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Message 101 of 144 (768436)
09-11-2015 4:59 PM
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09-11-2015 3:47 PM


Re: Sexuality Education
RAZD

A good find. Thanks.

We all know that the E . U. is ahead of us here.

I showed that as high as 50% of children between 12 and 25 are being affected to the point of dysfunction and addiction.

How high of a rate of damage would you tolerate before advocating for censorship?

Or should we just ignore the damage?

Regards
DL

Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.


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Message 102 of 144 (768438)
09-11-2015 5:31 PM
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09-11-2015 4:59 PM


Re: Sexuality Education
GIA writes:

How high of a rate of damage would you tolerate before advocating for censorship?

Or should we just ignore the damage?

The world can go to hell in a handbasket before I advocate for censorship of a voluntary activity.

I'm perfectly willing to advocate for legal protections. I'd make sure that only adults participate in porn production; I'd make sure the porn that presents male rape/sexual violence fantasies or claims those fantasies are intrinsic to women, or snuff porn, do not contain real events. In other words, I'm happy to advocate for laws that make porn a voluntary, adults-only activity, in both production and viewing.

Now, as for me, I think porn has a pernicious effect on both individuals and our popular culture. It is both a reflection and a wellspring of American misogyny. The actors and actresses who provide supernormal stimuli of surgically and cinematically perfected bodies, breasts and pricks of outlandish size and heroic stamina, and malignant portrayals of human sexuality as sadistic and exploitive, all impact cultural norms and make even harder the often awkward negotiation of human sexuality.

In addition, many things seem pornographic to me that elude that label in the mainstream: serial killer movies, novels and tv episodes that linger a bit too lovingly on the rape and death scenes; child beauty pageants with little girls made up like courtesans (watch Little Miss Sunshine), web videos of little girls prowling the stage like cougars in heat... In fact, I think these popular mass culture portrayals are more dangerous than a thousand adult porn movies.

But censorship? That won't help.

Address the cesspool of misogyny and the profit-driven hypersexualization of children, and you might do some good.

Educate children about the wonderful diversity of human sexuality, and you might do some good.

Work to achieve a popular culture of love and respect for the Other, and you might do some good.

Indulge in censorship, and you're just jerking off.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 103 of 144 (768444)
09-11-2015 6:15 PM
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09-11-2015 5:31 PM


Re: Sexuality Education
Omnivorous

Yet censorship is working against child porn.

We are not far in thinking except that I see censorship as a viable tool for society to use.

The Brits seem to agree as they have initiated controls of the media.

Regards
DL


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Message 104 of 144 (768445)
09-11-2015 6:29 PM
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09-11-2015 6:15 PM


Re: Sexuality Education
GIA writes:

Yet censorship is working against child porn.

Child porn is illegal, yes. But that's not censorship--it does not ban the expression or depiction of something that is otherwise legal. Child porn is no more legal in the U.S. than in the U.K.

Banning Lolita would be censorship, although it's a tediously corrosive book.

Banning a documentary of the pedophilic culture of truck-stop prostitution would be censorship; banning actual films of pedophilic sex, and prosecuting the pimps and johns, is not.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 105 of 144 (768447)
09-11-2015 7:00 PM
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09-11-2015 4:50 PM


I showed that as high as 50% of children between 12 and 25 are being affected to the point of dysfunction and addiction.

In the U.S. people over the age of 18 are considered adults, not children

I simply do not believe that 50% of teenagers are addicted to porn or dysfunctional (whatever that means). I don't know about teenage girls but I assume teenage boys are all addicted to masturbation.

I agree with RAZD and Omnivorous that education is the key. I am against censorship under any circumstances.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy


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