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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Be honest Faith. There's more chance of 'Christians" hunting down gays than the other way around.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
We know that Christiams have supported anti-sodomy laws in the U.S. And complained about their repeal. And called for them to be restored We know that "Christians" express support for laws criminalising homosexual behaviour in Africa, and the repressive laws in Russia.
I really doubt that you have anything that compares.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Even when you wrote:
Now, if the authorities were inclined to, they could arrest a pastor for preaching from the parts of the Bible that affirm marriage as for one man and one woman and that homosexuality is a sin. For that matter, they could come knock on my door and inquire what my opinion of gay marriage is, and if I say it's a violation of God's law they could arrest me.
? Which, by the way, is an outright falsehood, and I don't believe that you have any excuse for not knowing that it is false. Of course I do think that outright criminalisation is more serious than isolated acts of vandalism and what you call "entrapment" (which, of course, "Christians" have attempted too. And even then the target is bigotry rather than Christianity. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: How so? The fact that "Christians" are the ones in favour of persecution hardly shows that they are likely to be the persecuted.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Odd how "religious freedom" is about government workers abusing their position, refusing to do their jobs and denying other people their legal rights. But only when a "Christian" does it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Sure Faith. You should follow the example of the "godly" Puritans of Maryland. Revolt, repeal the First Amendment, burn down Catholic Churches - I guess you can include Mosques and any other religious establishments you disapprove of - and set up your own tyranny where only "Christians" are allowed to vote or hold office.
Or maybe you should try being a Christian.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You are being asked to accept gay marriage as valid I'm exactly the same sense as you are asked to accept Hinduism as a valid religion. If you discriminate against Hindus because they follow Hinduism you are engaging in religious discrimination. You cannot deny it by arguing that Hinduism is not really a religion and expect to prevail in court. The only "validity" that matters is validity in the eyes of the law.
It is exactly the same with gay marriage. Gay marriages are legally valid, and must be accepted as such. Just as Hinduism is legally a religion
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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No, the comparison is exact. You are being asked to accept that Hinduism is a real religion for the purposes of the law and therefore entitled to all the protections that the law offers to religious belief. Equally you are required to accept the gay marriages are considered marriages for legal purposes, and that married gay couples are entitled to all the legal benefits of that state. That is the whole point of the law.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: And this is WHY we cannot have people like you in positions of power. You will make up the most ridiculous lies to do whatever you want in defiance of justice, the law and simple morality. And then you whine about being persecuted because it doesn't work. Now we might more reasonably ask why there is no recognition that this is a purely secular matter. That she is not performing any religious function. That this is entirely about discriminating against homosexuals. It's not about Christians being persecuted,mints about Christians wanting to persecute and whining because the government dares to disagree.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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If Hindus wish to build a temple should a Christian use a government position to deny them ? Even if there is no reason for the denial other than that it is a Hindu temple ?
Obviously as a matter of law (at least in the U.S.) and from the principle of religious freedom the answer is no. bit surely Faith must feel differently. From her perspective to actively give permission to build the temple is to be complicit in demon-worship. Of course the question of inter-racial marriage is also significant, but we already know that faith thinks that it's OK to "persecute" Christian segregationists.... Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Just more evidence of how Christians are persecuted. They can't have the Quakers whipped out if town, and even have to tolerate Quakers holding public office. Scandalous! The end of Western civilisation!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: Of course,no law is being rewritten. It is simply that the law of the land disagrees with the rules of your religion. In that sense it is no different than the example you omitted -"Worship of other gods is permitted". Which is also the law of the land and has been since the Bill of Rights was passed. The real reason, of course, is that "Christians" wish to place themselves above the law, or the rules of employers. For many years they have gotten away with claiming privileges that the law does not permit. But this has been slowly changing and every loss is met by howls of outrage. Gay marriage is a victory for liberty and justice over the hate and lies of the "Christian" right. Of course they hate it! They threw everything they could at trying to stop it and still they failed. Well tough. They can just accept that they are not entitled to special privileges. That they don't get to override laws they don't like. And if they can't stand that the too bad for them.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
It's funny how recognising "demonic" Hinduism as a valid religion, and it's adherents as entitled to accommodations respecting their religious beliefs is acceptable. Apparently Faith sees worshipping demons is the "good" sort of sin that deserves public acceptance and support, unlike gay sex.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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