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Author Topic:   Landmark gay marriage trial starts today in California
Dr Adequate
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Message 630 of 759 (714249)
12-20-2013 8:35 PM


Utah
So, more gay marriage. You can read the judge's decision here.
One amusing bit:
At oral argument, the State attempted to distinguish post-menopausal women from gay men and lesbians by arguing that older women were more likely to find themselves in the position of caring for a grandchild or other relative.
You can almost imagine the scene at Homophobe HQ:
A: We need a reason to ban gay marriage.
B: Er ... we hate fags?
A: No, no, no.
B: No?
A: Well yes, of course, but we don't say that in public.
B: Ah, you mean a reason we can tell a judge.
A: Yes.
B: Silly of me, for a moment there I thought you meant the real reason.
A: No, just something to give a veneer of rationality to our pointless hatred.
B: Ooh, I know. How about only straight couples can have children?
A: Is that an important difference?
B: It's a difference.
A: But ... wouldn't we then logically have to be against post-menopausal women being allowed to marry?
B: Since when did we give a damn about logic?
A: Er ...
B: As I recall, we burned Logic in effigy at the last company picnic.
A: Yes, yes ...
B: You said it would make a nice change from the Bill of Rights.
A: Yes, yes, but once again we have to look logical. For the judge.
B: Well ... a post-menopausal woman can have grandchildren, right?
A: Yes ... go on.
B: And sometimes she might babysit them.
A: Yes ... ?
B: And grandchildren can be a bit of a handful, so she'd need to marry a man to help her.
A: And not a woman, because ---
B: Because anyone who's ever got pregnant is completely 100% heterosexual.
A: Ah, good.
B: Todd Aiken has some interesting data on that subject.
A: Right. Another question ...
B: What now?
A: Well, what if the post-menopausal woman doesn't have grandchildren?
B: True ... but she's more likely to if she's not a lesbian.
A: Ah, but playing devil's advocate here, lesbians can have nephews and nieces and such, some of whom might need babysitting.
B: They're not grandchildren. I think we have to focus on grandchildren rather than the babysitting.
A: Ok. So, where are we now, what's our argument?
B: Well. Marriage is either a sacred bond between a man and a woman ordained for the procreation of children, or, alternatively, it's a sacred bond between a man and a woman, but not two women, ordained for babysitting a heterosexual woman's statistically probable grandchildren, but not her nephews or nieces.
A: So we're going to ask the judge to uphold the ban on gay marriage because ...
B: Because the statistically probable grandchildren of heterosexual women need step-grandfathers to help with the babysitting!
A: Excellent. No judge could argue with the logic of that.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 673 of 759 (760983)
06-26-2015 10:37 PM



  
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Message 680 of 759 (760999)
06-27-2015 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 676 by NoNukes
06-26-2015 10:55 PM


By the way I, my wife is traveling this week. I called my wife here this evening to check on whether things were okay between us given that marriage had been redefined right underneath our very feet. She told me that she still loves me even though I spend too much time on EvC.
Gay marriage turned my wife into a newt.

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Message 692 of 759 (761054)
06-27-2015 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 685 by Jon
06-27-2015 8:50 AM


Re: Love reign o'er Everyone!!!
This was not that big of a deal when the Supreme Court ruled; politicians and the media just made it seem as though it was so they could continue to pull food off your plate and shingles off your house.
God damn it, Joe Biden's on the roof again.

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Message 701 of 759 (768607)
09-12-2015 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 698 by herebedragons
09-12-2015 10:44 AM


Re: Redefining Marriage
They would not be able to refuse to perform inter-racial marriages ...
Yes they are.

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Message 719 of 759 (768754)
09-13-2015 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
09-13-2015 1:44 PM


Re: Holy Matrimony, Batman
Blacks find the comparison offensive and so do I.
Congressman John Lewis is the last surviving member of the Big Six. He writes:
I fought too long and too hard to end discrimination based on race and color, to not stand up against discrimination against our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
But yeah, he only spoke alongside King at the March on Washington, what would he know about the '60's civil rights movement? You should write to him on behalf of "blacks" telling him how offensive they find him.

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Message 748 of 759 (768969)
09-15-2015 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 738 by Faith
09-15-2015 2:08 AM


Re: Redefining Marriage
It would have been nice if the SCOTUS had made an effort to protect Christians from this situation while extending marriage benefits to gays ...
Nice of you. But it doesn't work like that. You can't (or, let's be exact, the Supreme Court can't) "extend marriage benefits to gays" without actually letting them get married.
I think you just have to bite it. The law now says that gay couples can get married. You are absolutely free to say that they are not married in the eyes of God, that God disapproves of the sex stuff they do, and that they're a bunch of perverts.

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Message 752 of 759 (768995)
09-15-2015 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 750 by Faith
09-15-2015 1:06 PM


Re: Redefining Marriage
I'm sure the court could have found a way to protect Christians from losing jobs and businesses on account of the stand we must take for Biblical marriage, but they chose not to.
Faith, you're sure of a whole lot of things. Also, you're wrong a lot. No, the court can't quite do that.

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Message 758 of 759 (769212)
09-17-2015 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 757 by saab93f
09-17-2015 7:11 AM


Re: Redefining Marriage
... depends if it's the same Jack, I guess.

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